An admiration for genocide

Discussion in 'History' started by S.A.M., Aug 2, 2008.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why do people have an admiration for successful genocidal leaders?

    From Alexander to Bush, people tend to be in thrall of leaders who simply go out for the express purpose of killing people for fame and glory. Even McCain seems to have held court with his promise of a hundred years in Iraq.

    What attracts people to genocide?
     
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  3. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    Bush committed genocide ? And I don't think Bush is loved all that much anyway..
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    He wasn't successful. But when he proposed it...
     
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  7. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    Promised what ?
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Proposed the Warrrrrrz on terrrrrorrrrz; sorta like the Hitlerian warsaw terrorz, which was also a popular movement
     
  9. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    How is proposing a war on terror proposing genocide ?
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Because you cannot fight fear?
     
  11. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    "Terror" is meant as "terrorism"..
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    You're comparing fighting terrorism to...Hitler. Rightie-o.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, have you read any German speeches of the time? They could have been written by Cheney and Co.

     
  14. DeepThought Banned Banned

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  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    How about the part where they rounded up all those Jewish people and sent them to gas chambers? Got anything like that?
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, take your pick of Gaza, Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Afghanistan; even kidnap is common. They even borrowed enhanced interrogation from the Nazis.

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=81860

    The Germans were too squeamish for waterboarding though.

    So white supremacism is endemic? We can never get beyond it?
     
  17. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    isnt this considered trolling?
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Only if he loses. Otherwise he goes down in history as a great leader.
     
  19. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    hmm.,ok,ill bite.
    you dont really believe that the mechanized state sanctioned slaughter of a specific group of people based on ideological beliefs can be compared to the war crimes of some american soldiers do you?
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its only a matter of perspective isn't it? According to Milgrams experiment, anyone will obey authority in exactly the same manner. Or do you actually believe that the Germans are "different"?
     
  21. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    A classic evasive move. Someone asks you if you can't see a difference between the war on terror and Nazi Genocide and you shift to some study about how people will obey authority.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    How is the war on terror different from the Nazi genocide, from your perspective? The Germans gave the same arguments against the Jews, quoting the Torah out of context. I see no difference between Auschwitz and Abu Ghraib, except that the Germans were more organised and had trains and gas ovens; tying someones hands behind his back and then hanging him so he is supporting the weight of his body, so that his shoulder and arm bones pop and pierce his lungs killing him, seems more extreme and sadistic to me than gassing people to death. They called it the Holocaust, you call it the war on terror. You yourself admire a man who does not consider waterboarding as torture [which even the Nazis rejected] and promises to stay in Iraq for another hundred years.

    In what way do you consider it different?
     
  23. Eidolan Registered Senior Member

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    People admire genocidal leaders (such as Hitler) because they are ignorant and most don't think much. I strongly disagree with what the U.S. government is doing (extraordinary rendition plus torture), but I do not think that amounts to genocide.

    In genocide, the government and people are trying to kill a large group of people off. By contrast, the U.S. government is torturing a small group of people who have little in common other than labels such as "terrorist" and "enemy combatant".
     

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