American racism

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  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you make no sense, you racist bitch. everything you have posted in this thread is just that mainstream idea that discrimination against asians is not important.

    i know what you are after but let me make it clear: no matter what i do or what happens to me does not change the fact asians are successful as a whole nor does that excuse racism against asians.

    this is why you decided to come up with neil tyson (specifically african-american when you are not), the astrophysicist to make a point as a counter. since you are white, why aren't you studying astrophysics? what excuses do you have? lol.
     
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  3. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    No objection to you being a failure?

    Maybe I hit a nerve that you were begging for?
     
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

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    it's obvious you don't know asians very well. if we are a failure, we can admit it (generally).

    i think it's you who feels like a failure and projecting. this thread hit a nerve with you. also, that whole white guilt issue you brought up when it wasn't about you.

    that video from an alt-right source is what you would have liked to express but since it's not pc to use examples of blacks or hispanics as much as it is acceptable to scapegoat asians, you used me to make your right-wing based rhetoric. it was so obvious too.

    it's the same thing the narrator did in the video by using asians (not that he gives a shit about them) to justify stereotypes and miminize racism. the title itself 'black lives matter hates asians' and he is not asian just like you used neil tyson as an example to 'chastise' me with the notion that there are no excuses, which in turn translates there are no excuses for african-americans but you were not going to come out and say so. you wouldn't dare take that type of hyper-umbrage with an african-american. it's politics but it's still lame and rather cowardly.

    mind you, this bullshit you pulled has nothing to do with the op which is about the stigma of foreigner status and not considered as american as other ethnicities/minorities. this stigma is why asians are not yet considered the faces of america.
     
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  7. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Blah blah blah

    So, you do feel you're a failure.


    What's you're next thread: Mc Donald's Big Macs are racist?

    :EDIT:

    I didn't want to come of as so conservative, but you're such an ass.
     
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  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    lmfao. you keep making my point. you are 'picking' on an asian because you cant't get away with that directing it at other minorities. it's that or you actually are racist against asians just like those who posted those comments on the nba page. so which is it?

    for instance, will you go to a black forums and post the above whenever they make threads complaining about racism? i don't think so britney.

    you are so typical that you assume no one realizes your attitude towards this thread and it's links are a dismissal and denigration of those people who have written those articles as well as those who have commented about the issue of racism toward asians.

    you have this pretense that this focus on me 'feeling like a failiure' is just a dig at me when it's just a ruse/excuse to discredit other asians as well. i'm not the only one who has made the same or similar observations.

    frankly, you are an idiot.
     
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  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    You can say all you want about me, at this point, I don't care.
     
  10. birch Valued Senior Member

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    this is sort of true but it's not limited to the bay area and it's not just blacks or hispanics.
     
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  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Mod Hat — Mumble, murmur

    Something goes here about the difference between discussing racism itself, to the one, and discussing racism in order to accuse one another.

    I don't know how much of this thread to splinter out in order to save it, so the discussion will return to some useful function, and immediately, else it will go the way of other such catastrophes of petty hubris.
     
  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    This thread wasn't about intellectual discussion from the outset.
     
  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    this is one of the best topics on racism this forum has ever had. it highlights the outsider status that asians have had to endure and the recent articles of asian entertainers is a testament to that. there is nothing wrong with the op. all other discussions usually skim the issue of mostly white on black or black on white racist stereotypes or issues.

    it's pretty telling that when racism against asians are noted and the fact perpetrators are of all races, not just white, even whites are uncomfortable. maybe because they perceive other minorities as pet tools like dogs on leashes for what whites even percieve as asian competition. asians are even attacked if they admit asians can be racist but it's not okay to highlight that other minorities can be racist against asians. oh no, they are supposed to be given free reign to do so and bully asians because they are america's pet diaspora suffering or not as blessed as an asian type sentiment. bullshit. the exact same attitude other minorities use to attack asians. even asians trying harder is viewed as an unfair advantage, scoring higher, studying harder etc because it all must be unfair or unequal. that's the subversive innuenndo and it's even expressed passive-aggressively by members on this thread and therefore it's some type of corrupt and stupid balance sheet for other minorities and whites to kick asians around.

    there is a reason asians either open their own businesses (who is going to discriminate against you?) or pretty much not on the mainstream scene and seek higher education/professional sector (more integrity). they are heavily discriminated otherwise and in just about every other industry and among average to middle-class viewed not as american, stigmatized or ostracized. i remember one time i saw this chinese girl who was a cashier at a regular western grocery chain and the expression on her face and body language said it all to me. you could tell she was being assaulted generally with ill treatment, subtle and passive-aggressive racism/bullying. i know because i experienced similar and again, it wasn't blacks, hispanics ,whites or others of ambiguous appearance because they are just considered americans in general. people do not like to know this truth and repeat bullshit static ideas of racism such as brown or black skinned people must be assumed the most discriminated against. uh no, actually that's not the majority. i will repeat it again: that's not the majority mainstream culture or their attitudes. actually, brown and black of all persuasions have been pretty comfortable and accepted as americans for awhile. BUT: since the recent terrorist attacks, there has been more focus on people of darker ambiguous appearance for a minute or two. so i must repeat that truth to dispel the fuking myth that it must be brown people of all persuasions that are so stigmatized in american culture. even seeing her in such a situation was unusual. maybe not as much today but this mindset against asians is still there.

    this thread proves just how much racism there is against asians because it is not considered pc for asians to note racist experiences or even note that it exists or even complain because the mainstream mindset is that they are not as an 'oppressed' group to justify racism against asians which is bullshit and undermining to the asian community. it's poisonous because the mainstream public eats that up and uses it. granted, asians usually focus on rising above the muck, so to speak, through education and professional positions but why should they all have to? why can't they be comfortable and accepted like the rest? the rejection of asians in the media is a testament to the general mindset of americans including other minorities. but that attitude spills over in every area of society and asians are the ones who are most discriminated against if they try to seek social services, for instance.

    as this thread proves, noting racism against asians is considered taboo in american culture and especially when it comes from other minorities as well because asians are supposed to feel sorry for them or take it for some bullshit reason. or the go to is immediate defensiveness and noting how asians can be racist as a defense or excuse for racism against asians but that same line of reasoning is not used against other minorities. that is fuking disgusting and nasty.
     
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  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Blah blah blah.

    So, this forum is a platform in which you bitch.

    Is it too late to make something of your life?
     
  16. birch Valued Senior Member

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    can you get a fucking life? try that shit to an african-american or hispanic and everyone would be up in arms. the fact moderators have not done anything to your trolling and lack of content on this thread says everything to me.

    you asked for it: racist white bitch. you are a stereotype of the white supremacist mindset as well as mainstream culture where whites are too scared to say the same shit to blacks or hispanics so they say this shit to an asian.

    i dare you to say that to an african american or hispanic when they talk about racism that it must mean they need to get a fuking life or they are a failure. but we already know you wouldn't. it's all politics. lmao
     
  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, life passed you over.

    My fault entirely.
     
  18. birch Valued Senior Member

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    yeah, because this thread is all about you. it's so clear in the op too. idiot.
     
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    all these stereotypes of small penis, women are submissive or whores, good at math, nerdy, eat dog, unamerican, ugly because of slanty eyes et are what you hear about asians as minorities are magnified and repeated more often and targeted toward asians more than any other ethnicity or minority. even if other minorities have issues that could be criticized as to culture or appearance, it is notable that asians that are targeted most for degradation and microaggressions using racist slurs and stereotypes. this is not an opinion, it is a fact. i know because i've lived in the west most of my life and i'm observant. it's almost always asians who are marginalized in this way.

    even recently i had a white woman make digs at me implying that asians specifically own most massage parlors but she omits the plethora of other businesses they own in general like the store she walks to regularly and the owner are koreans. i could sense this has more to do with seeing northeast asians primarily as competitors, it's not that they care more about other minorities but that those who are viewed as more competitive, whether they actually are or not individually, because that is a way to target an entire race by extension. then she was oblivious to the fact she was telling me how she was repeatedly complaining about being abused or staying in abusive relationships with men. did i turn that around and makeup a stereotype that white women are submissive or educate her that it has nothing to do with race? no, these ideas are too ingrained as well as purposeful slander as i just observe and file it away and there is a general pattern of asians being targeted for stereotypes and mockery. it has been culturally acceptable to be racist toward asians and perceive them as outsiders.

    but even shows like fresh off the boat are not representative of real asian-american families. it's also a silly caricature. they are like any other family but speak english or mostly. kdramas, for instance, depict natural situations and relationships but they are not speaking english is all. the language may be different, food may be different, appearance may be different etc but otherwise, they are just people. this is why kdramas are so popular and growing in popularity because people get to see into asian families and relationships. they have relationship, financial and professional issues that predominate in their life like anyone else. they are depicted more naturally. the two best films i have ever seen depicting asian families as well as mixed asian families through western cinema is joy luck club (drama) and catfish in black bean sauce (comedy).

    it's all very strange and as if westerners have a problem with just acknowledging asians are just people like anyone else.

    these are some of the comments from the clip (not by me so it's obviously not just about me):


    well, of course.


    it's just repeated.



    that's how it's done. that's the other problem is not speaking out against it so when an asian does, they don't get much support.



    i have to agree with this. i didn't see the film that way either but neither was it that good imo for a film anyways.


    this is partly true but it's mostly so that their offspring are less stigmatized due to being asian in a western society.


    these are funny
     
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    they are masturbating.
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    No one here has said that racism is acceptable depending on who is on the receiving end of it. No one.

    The issue with this thread, from my perspective, is that you are attempting to bring racism against Asians to light, by making some fairly questionable comments yourself.

    For example:

    I mean, this is provably false. To suggest that Asians face worse racism, that they are treated more like outcasts compared to people of other ethnic origins... How can I put this.. It's not a competition, for one. But your commentary also seems to be bypassing the day to day experiences of minorities in the US. When you say that Asians are treated differently or as outcasts, more so than say African Americans, how do you mean?

    Economically? Asians, particularly East Asians in the US have a higher average income than any other ethnic group, including those of European descent in the US. So it's not through income disparity or economically. Other Asian minorities from Cambodia, for example, have not fared as well. It's safe to say that other Asian minorities (ie not from East Asia) have faced worst discrimination than those from East Asia.. For example, Americans of Indian descent have reported a higher rate in being pulled over by the police, compared to East Asians.

    Housing? Access to healthcare, employment? Yes, they, like other ethnic groups in the US, face discrimination. But the racism is different. To wit, Asian minorities have a slightly easier time to move up the housing ladder than African Americans, for example.

    Most importantly, your narrative ignores the obvious:

    These arguments falsely conflate anti-Asian racism with anti-black racism, according to Kim. "Racism that Asian-Americans have experienced is not what black people have experienced," Kim said. "Sullivan is right that Asians have faced various forms of discrimination, but never the systematic dehumanization that black people have faced during slavery and continue to face today." Asians have been barred from entering the U.S. and gaining citizenship and have been sent to incarceration camps, Kim pointed out, but all that is different than the segregation, police brutality and discrimination that African-Americans have endured.​

    Now I want you to consider that the dehumanisation of African Americans continues to this day. While Asians face awful bigotry and racism in the US, it is not worse or the same as what other ethnic minorities endure or face. It does not mean that it is acceptable in any way, shape or form. Your attempts to say that it is worse completely ignores reality.

    No one participating in this discussion has said otherwise...

    It would behoove you to not partake in negative stereotyping that comes across as racist in nature, while complaining about the racial stereotyping against a K-Pop star in the opening posts.

    This demand or expectation of how people are meant to look or to fit a certain aesthetic that comes across as racist is just wrong.

    Again with the stereotyping..

    A piece from New York Magazine's Andrew Sullivan over the weekend ended with an old, well-worn trope: Asian-Americans, with their "solid two-parent family structures," are a shining example of how to overcome discrimination. An essay that began by imagining why Democrats feel sorry for Hillary Clinton — and then detoured to President Trump's policies — drifted to this troubling ending:

    "Today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives? It couldn't possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn't be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?"

    Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans. And at the root of Sullivan's pernicious argument is the idea that black failure and Asian success cannot be explained by inequities and racism, and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

    The Color of Success. Much of Wu's work focuses on dispelling the "model minority" myth, and she's been tasked repeatedly with publicly refuting arguments like Sullivan's, which, she said, are incessant. "The thing about the Sullivan piece is that it's such an old-fashioned rendering. It's very retro in the kinds of points he made."

    The whole argument or trope of "scoring higher, studying harder, etc" is based on racism.. of Asians attempting to fit into American society to overcome the racist policies they endured historically in the US. The idea that they have an advantage, particularly from other ethnic minorities is because Asian Americans are often touted as being the perfect ethnic minority or "race".. No one here is saying it did not happen, nor is anyone poo pooing on highlighting racism from other ethnic groups.
     
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    Mod Note

    The name calling has to stop. If it does not stop, then the thread will be closed and infractions issued.
     
  23. birch Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ce-trayvon-martin-tribute-20130731-story.html

    and of course, asians can do stupid crap like this which is considered offensive. though it was meant to be a tribute, they can't hire someone as a cultural advisor?



    kbs network has allowed this several times and has received backlash internationally, so it can't be just ignorance. granted, there are koreans also who know this is racist/offensive and speak out but there are idiots or racists everywhere.
     
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