American racism

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  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Generally I wouldn't think it too much to ask that you at least try to make sense, but since that is so obviously unfair on this particular occasion, I shall leave you to ... uh ... whatever.

    (Would you prefer, in the future, that I just not bother with your posts? You know, since you can't be bothered with sincerity?)

    (Honestly, many people, like you, don't seem to care about racism itself except to accuse others. If you want others to give any reasonable consideration↑ to your posts, something more than lazy disrespect would be helpful.)

    (Just sayin'. At this point, it is as difficult to figure what you're on about as it is a reason to care.)
     
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  5. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    I'll take you seriously after you apologize for your racist remark implying all white people have a ''similar sense of uppitiness or staunch conservativism, narcissism and sense of self-importance '' which can only be found in the ''most evil asians''. You seem to have one mod backing your corner and seeing no racialism in your remark.
    Sorry about that remark Tiassa, I thought I edited that out when I realised you hadn't said anything about black people. I have two or three browsers open at once sometimes, I get mixed up.

    You should address that to birch the racist.
     
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  7. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Could you link the posts?

    I didn't want really pay attention to this thread.


    It's like being accused of being racist by default.
     
  8. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    If you mean a link to this quote of birch: The link don't work any more the post was removed.
    The post was in this thread...
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/cool-cheesy-ancient-family-pictures.88201/
    You may want to ask why birch had to bring up such a subject there??? You may ask how can I quote a removed post... I quoted the same part of the post eslewhere and it's still there.
    Yes, that's what I sense.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    I admit I'm chomping a bit instead of just baring my teeth, but ... well, okay, that part is complicated. But it has to do with the ways in which people aren't making sense.

    Part of that is the question of whether you are willing to write the script. That is to say, I guess I just wasn't accusing enough when I wrote↑, "It comes across as racist because by its station in competitive racism, the statement is racist," or, "I think the racism inherent in that manner of competitive hyperbole is why our neighbor pulled the post", and especially, "It's a difficult question, because it was a racist expression, there is a version of what it might refer to that it I know well, and there is no easy answer, nor simple expression of the question". At this point, you'll need to tell me what words I'm supposed to write in order to achieve your satisfaction.

    Which, in turn, leads us back to the question of people who don't seem to care about racism itself except to accuse others. There is an obvious question of what to do about racism, but part of understanding that answer is figuring what the racism actually means.
     
  10. birch Valued Senior Member

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    well, i'd like to but i can't because i observed that as a general pulse in society. it's probably because the country was more racist back then, even a couple decades ago, than today. why would i apologize for a theme in society just because i was noticing a pattern and just to quell your sense of 'this can't be equal'? it wasn't equal.

    of course, it doesn't mean all white people were this way or are this way but it was a general statement given the aggressive and more extroverted nature of mainstream culture mixed with a primarily fundamental/intolerant religious culture, the above statement is correct in what i observed to be the majority attitudes toward asians and the condescension unless the asian was, well, the same.

    if you were not fundamentalist even a few decades ago, you were not a part of the general mindset in america and was no different than living in a society like in the film, "they live" and where you would have to hide your liberal values or any idea/sentiment that went against the republicanisk grain. because it really was pervasive cutlurally/attitudinally, no matter who was president. this was america, not just in the south but everywhere. there were very few pockets of areas where there was any seed of growing liberalism, which was california and new york basically.

    for instance, few would admit that they were atheists because of the backlash, persecution and being outcast status, so i did observe a general 'similar sense of uppitiness or staunch conservativism, narcissism and sense of self-importance' among americans and especially with white americans since they are are the majority and mostly in control. this more hyped mentality and attitude stems from a past of america being a powerful country that is used to calling the shots and judging others and therefore the attitudes of people in general. if you missed that, maybe you should be questioning yourself.

    now, that is changing and has changed somewhat as american society has become more global and open-minded/liberal, especially with each succeeding generation.
     
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    Why is it okay for others to mock and deride asians? They are not the version of them as kpop has been around for a long time, even before the west or the rest of the world became aware of them.

    How can they be a version of them if the kpop group debuted before them? Its ridiculous. And even if they hadn't, it still wouldn't have been the case as bands exist all around the world.



    They are not the same, the similarities are more apt to compare asian artists to eachother. Its ridiculous for them to assume kpop is a version of their group and to say so publicly and mock the language is again, reminiscent of the racist mindset that asians are so different and dont speak a romance language.



    And there will always be this controversy because one can come up with a hook that sounds similar to another, even unintentionally. Other songs also resemble some kpop songs and happens regularly. Its all pretty much petty.



    Breakthrough
     
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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    do not confuse lack of reaction with collective agreement.
    some like to sit back on the lawn chair and watch.
    it doesnt mean they agree or dissagree.

    it is quite difficult to keep a discussion on track when talking about issues that people use to segragate money and poeple with.
    the commercial driver is such a realism that it delivers all aspects of human condition, not just social construct racial bias.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    soo...
    would it be fair to ask this question.

    have racists become not racist in 20 years ?
     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    or a muslim-law country...
    your either muslim or an outsider.
    is there any Christian-law countrys ? (interesting concept)
     
  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    It's an odd question. I might parse whether the difference is if the society is overtly more or less racist, but that calculus is in flux right now owing to the overturning of our former standards of measurement.

    That is to say, it turns out it really wasn't just a few bad seeds.

    Although part of what has happened that might make the racists seem less racist these days is a concerted effort to normalize bigotry as a rhetorical presupposition. Mark Zuckerberg has somehow become an icon of this, whining about why does poor him have to be the one to set the standard. (I don't know, Mark, maybe because it's your multibillion-dollar website? Ask any business owner why they have to be the one to enforce the rules.)

    The rest of us, I suppose, could write the rules and force them on these corporations, but that's generally not how it goes. Imagine the scene down at the Lutheran church when the guest clergy rolls through:

    Congregant: Pastor! Pastor! Did you hear that? He's telling the congregation to revel in adultery, sodomize children, and give all praise unto the Devil!

    Pastor: Why should I have to be the one to set the rules for what a Christian says from my pulpit?​

    We do the same thing, here. Hearing him Zuck it up like that is like being a moderator at Sciforums: Who are we to decide?

    (It's really complicated, because it comes about over the course of years, but the problem is that certain arguments just can't be made reasonably and rationally; unfortunately, that makes it harder to discuss them in rational debate, and expecting people to be reasonable and rational about certain subjects is apparently unfair. Or something. Two points about "Russian trolls" are that they do not appear to have invented the antisocial attitudes the alt-right brings to bear, and thus whatever they actually might have accomplished was through exploitation and amplification of an existing phenomenon; and also that some significant portion of the audience has to be really, really stupid. I've been watching both the antisociability and the stupidity going on at Sciforums for most of my nineteen years here; it wasn't always like this, but whatever happened in the last ten years was going on long before.)

    (It's one thing to say one needs to be fair to all sides, but the "make-believe" side of a dispute is inherently unreliable, and it should not be unfair to account for that. Americans, at least, have been explicitly trying to prove otherwise for over twenty years.)​

    If the racists have become not racist, as such, did their behavior change, or the standard by which we assess it?
     
  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    OK birch, so I'm predisposed to White Guilt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_guilt by birth?

    Hey, maybe you watch too much politics, but you were begging for a racial argument, so let's go!
     
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  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i came to the realisation fairly recently, that "white-guilt" invalidates black culture.

    by allowing yourself to take on the guilt from the bully being a bully to prevent the victim from feeling hurt simply enables the bully to validate the cycle of abuse.

    "guilt" is the product of the equation that validates the abusers action by giving the desired negative identifier as feedback to the abuser who then gets exactly what they wanted.

    you may wish to ponder that for a few weeks/months.
     
  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think I was talking to you.
     
  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    and i deconstructed it in my post and the fundamentalist/supremacist backdrop and influence of the mindset of the majority and since whites were the majority, that would make sense, right?

    it's not racist, it's was an observation. it obviously changes as each new generation is more liberal or less racist than before. a trend, not everyone.
     
  20. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    For every white generation... Well, construct a graph for the racism level, then we will be able to make predictions.
     
  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Its not about just white racism as i pointed out clearly that racism is not isolated to just whites but that much of the slurs and stereotypes that were coined by them are repeated by others as racism is just part of the culture where there are people of differing ethnicities.

    With asians in america, its just more the foreigner stereotype that stigmatizes them more. Also, how asians are severely penalized in college admissions and hit glass ceilings even more than women or other ethnicities. The racism besides the usual open mockery of asian culture/looks tends to be more subversive, undermining and passive-aggressive.

    Part of this is because its easy to identify and therefore easily target a northeast asian than other ethnicities that could pass for any because of ambiguous appearance, especially in a mixed culture.

    hispanics and blacks are considered by default as more home-grown or american already, then middle-easterners dont look much different than a mix of white/black/hispanic and southeast asians to some extent the same but americans dont view them as competitive (islanders) or dont view them stereotypically with 'asia' so dont care to target them because they dont associate competitor china or evil communism as much as northeast asians . An 'oriental' appearance stands out as more foreign. Thats just how most people think. And in a fundamental way it is true because northeast asians do look different than most others on the planet.
     
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  22. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Well then prove your accusations.

    :EDIT:

    Or is it that you think you're special for living a hard life?

    Get over yourself.
     
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  23. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Racism in and of and by all races seems quite common. Sexism also seems quite common. Perhaps it has more to do with peer group identity and then defining the other (the goyem) than with focusing on any particular perception of race.
     
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