American racism

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  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you still don't get it. nope. i didn't say other ethnicities never experience discrimination but it's not at the same level of being outcast as so different from others. but i don't expect it.

    it could just be naivety or it could just be that some don't want to acknowledge or underestimate the level of pettiness of the general public. repeat: asians are targeted the most as being 'different' than other ethnicities because of their looks and don't speak a romance language. they tend to be the most targeted for scapegoatism because of their race specifically. for example, the only reason hispanics such as mexicans have been the target of any heat lately has to do with the border issue, not as much as their ethnicity.

    the closer and more a group is targeted for their inherent qualities, the more racist it is. fact and fact asians are the target of more racist slurs as well as denigrating stereotypes as well as being treated most differently than other ethnicities.

    if there is a group of people, it will almost always be the asian in a group that will be the target of racist stereotypes, even with other ethnicities (hispanic, black, indian etc) in the mix. just because YOU believe that's not the case, it is. it has been known though that racism against asians is not taken seriously.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Where I went to school, it was pretty much assumed that all Asians were smart, but Middle Easterners got in because their families had a LOT of money they threw at the school. At my present job about 25% of the company is Asian; it's just the norm.

    I have no doubt that Asians see some discrimination in some places - there are likely some customer-facing jobs they're not getting. But blacks are being shot and killed more often due to their race, and that seems a lot worse than not getting a job.
    I have never seen that happen - and I work with a lot of Asians and always have. I have seen it for Middle Easterners and blacks though.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You assert this, but I don't see anything other than your personal opinion here. How will you defend it?
     
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  7. birch Valued Senior Member

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    and mostly by their own race

    where asians are more represented, just like any group in larger numbers, there is less racism. just like an asian couple where one who grew up in california admitted he did not experience as much racism as his wife who grew up in georgia, alright? but still overall, asians are more a minority group in most of america so there is more discimination than against hispanics or blacks. that represents most of the united states. i worked in silicon valley in the south and it was more racist towards asians, period.

    besides, i don't believe you. i know better. middle-easterners who are fresh off the boat will be more discriminated but generally they aren't after second-generation and as far as african-americans, americans know better to not target them as they have been a historically oppressed group in america and racism against them has been a largely opined issue about raising public social consciousness.

    again, the only reason middle-easterners and hispanics are in the spotlight in any negative light at the moment is because of terrorism that has hit western shores and the border issue. the end.
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    though society isn't as racist as before or has become more global, i don't believe you. i don't know how old you are but i find it hard to believe that anyone could miss the general pulse and attitudes of the public.

    for instance, i attended many public schools in different states because my parents moved a lot growing up and in each one, it was the asians who were most targeted for racism; not blacks, not hispanics, indians or middle-easterners. every single time. it wasn't just me, it was asians in general who were treated as most different whether they were second or third gen or not, simply because of being and looking asian. period.

    those attitudes and mindset is also among the adult general public as well. the blindspot is that it's just white nationalists are the only ones who are racist but there are different gradients and layers to society. white nationalists are equal opportunity racists.

    just because someone is more familiar, comfortable or does not have a problem with a certain ethnicity or ethnicities, does not mean that extends to everyone. asians have been seen as being the 'outsiders' in american culture the most.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So since there are more blacks in the south, there is less racism there? The statistics do not support that view.
    I spend a lot of time there (Stanford, our office there and several other tech companies) and I just don't see it. I have no doubt that you have, but it's just not that prevalent.

    Besides, you are claiming that when there are more Asians there is less racism. In Daly City Asians make up more than half the population; in the greater San Francisco area they make up 35% of the population. By your argument above that would mean there should be less racism in the Bay Area overall.
    You can believe whatever you like.
    I've seen a third generation Middle Easterner (so third generation that he had a thick Maine accent) get pulled out of line and hassled by the TSA at an airport - for no apparent reason. They are regularly the subject of attacks by conservative media and politicians. Perhaps you have heard the term "towelhead" or the mocking of "religion of peace?" They are often victims of violence due to their "support of terrorism."

    From Wikipedia:
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    Since 9/11, anti-Middle Eastern racism has risen dramatically. A man in Houston, Texas, who was shot and wounded after an assailant accused him of "blowing up the country", and four immigrants were shot and killed by a man named Larme Price, who confessed to killing them as revenge for the September 11 attacks. Price said he was motivated by a desire to kill people of Arab descent after the attacks. Although Price described his victims as Arabs, only one was from an Arab country. This appears to be a trend; because of stereotypes of Arabs, several non-Arab, non-Muslim groups were subjected to attacks in the wake of 9/11, including several Sikh men attacked for wearing their religiously-mandated turban.
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    Except for all the police shootings of blacks. And the continuing number of lawsuits being won by black tenants being discriminated against. And of course we now have a president who did just that.
    Really? So before the border was a big issue, the term "wetback" didn't exist?

    My mother in law grew up in Orange County in the 1950's - and hispanics were seen in much the same light as they are today; as a bunch of criminals, thugs and rapists. Their cars were called "beaners" (because they ate beans.) They have been labeled criminals and rapists by the president.

    Blacks are being targeted by the police at a much higher rate than whites for everything from being given speeding tickets to being shot for walking in the street.

    None of that is true for Asians.
     
  10. birch Valued Senior Member

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    of course, he's a white nationalist. but you assume they are the only racists.

    we won't go into the obvious why that is because of course, racism against asians will just be relegated to unimportance using, again, the racism against others as has been.

    you still don't get it, like most here, because you are unaware of the different layers of society. the only ones making slurs and fun of hispanics, blacks, middle-easterners etc and that includes asians are white nationalists, not all racists.
     
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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Your post #21 contains your opinion. Yet you speak as of you have as much personal experience of black or Hispanic racism as you do of Asian racism.
    You don't.

    So why would we take your personal opinion of how the world works as if it is fact?

    You've made an assertion that your culture is singled-out. Convince us this is true.
     
  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i guess i have to explain it.

    white nationalists make it clear that they are racist towards anyone that is not white. the irony is they expose racism in an equal opportunity manner. lmao!

    however, the rest of society pretends that they are not racist or blind to it because they are hypocritical about it. the only reason the majority of them denounce racism is because they have friends or family of other ethnicities that they like, prefer or are comfortable with.

    i remember reading this post on a wn forum by this black guy who was talking about his white girlfriend at the same time denigrating asians because he assumed he would be more accepted (that mindset is not isolated either for any race) and a white nationalist put him in his place because who does he think he is? he's not white either anyways. you could tell he was kind of surprised. lmfao!

    let me explain again: the reason why he assumed he would be is because of the general pulse of the public in that there is a gradient level as to who is more accepted or not based on who is perceived as being more american than others. that's how the general public displays racism or bigotry but white nationalists are not them. lol

    the truth is there are all types of racists just like some asian parents who may not have as much a problem with their kid dating a white person as much as a black or hispanic person or a black person who is okay with hispanics but prejudiced against whites or a black or hispanic okay with whites but not middle-easterners etc. the same for whites come in a variety of prejudices as to who they prefer or accept some ethnicities versus another. the combinations and different forms of bigotry and toward what group is endless.

    that's the blindspot. all these people, of course, will vote democratic but that doesn't mean they are necessarily not racist or harbor bigotry or prejudice themselves. it's just that in order for them to vote in favor of themselves, those they accept as well as in their interests, they must extend that to others, even if they may not do so if they had the power to vote against certain minority groups while in favor of other minority group/s.
     
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  13. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i don't have to because you refuse to see it. i never said people do not experience discrimination. you can even be discriminated by your own race. i merely pointed out that discrimination against asians primarily in america is not taken as seriously or is considered socially acceptable among the general public.
     
  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    There is a term "third culture kid"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid

    I think it deals not only with a lot of the subtle racist issues people here are just not "getting" but also the unavoidable transitional issues of migration.


    One of the challenges of being a third culture individual is developing a sense of belonging, commitment, and attachment to a culture. These factors play a strong role in one's self-esteem and identity, and are especially apparent as present or not present among TCKs.[21] There are psychological benefits to being a bi-culturally competent individual, meaning that adjustment to the host culture and repatriation do not pose a difficulty for the individual. Individuals who do not experience this same smooth transition into the new culture are referred to as "culturally rootless" and "cultural homelessness". Culturally homeless (CH) individuals often experience confusion over their identity and especially because the TCK is frequently abroad during the adolescent development years when identity is most solidified psychologically.[21]

    When individuals who have spent a significant number of their developmental years in a host culture and have not been able to adapt, develop an identity, and do not feel as though they belong, they are considered "culturally homeless". Cultural homelessness has been found to have both advantages and disadvantages, at times to being associated with low self-esteem, perceiving less control over one's own life, and an unsatisfactory level of experience with belonging and attachment.[21][21]
     
  15. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i do sometimes make inflammatory statements, not for the purpose of racism but as a game to expose an issue. racism is not just a white or black issue and there is no race or ethnicity that does not have people that are not racist or bigoted themselves. they all do. it's just that i've noticed as a pattern that racism against asians is ignored or allowed to pass in group conversations or it comes up often as if it's socially acceptable to make fun of, express bigotry or attack asians and it's not just whites that do, of course.

    i am not racist. i've always had a live and let live policy but if someone attacks my ethnicity, i will go full force with ammunition because there is shit about everyone and every ethnicity. i've found that people are often surprised at this as if asians are not expected to or don't have a right to defend themselves against bigotry and racism directed at them. that whole asians are timid or quiet is used against them so people assume they have a right to bully them and then when they do get angry or bite back, it's called overreacting, but not when others do it because asians are supposed to always be polite, right? lol.

    my son, like most of the new gen, represents 'we are the world' and 'its a small world after all' and i could care less who he marries (it's his business) as i just want him to be happy.
     
  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    technically, north-east-asia is russia
    so do northern inuit russian people count ? (a little sarcastic humour).

    generically US culture is extremely competative as a base line social construct.
    the stereo type cast models that school children are forced into is well established on TV for kids.
    the jock, nerd, geek, prep, hippie,(get the asian kid to do your homework jokes) etc etc....
    asians whom have become established in the US are probably fairly good at competing economicaly.
    that is probably seen as very rude to other US people who are offended by competition.
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    https://splinternews.com/america-is-in-love-with-asian-music-but-asian-american-1823038498


    exactly.

    that's the general public's mindset. it's pretty obvious the reason behind the racism

    you go where there is opportunity. actually, that's not all bad though. it's just a round-about way to go about it.

    Jay park, of course.


    uhuh..but i disagree as to the importance of the asian female stereotype as much just as asians are not considered as one of the faces of america also. it's just not there yet.

    i agree that it's not all doom and gloom. its not as if asians are shut out from any opportunity, it's just what market. but also what i've discerned is that in a society where race issues are a constant in a melting pot such as america, the model minority myth (not entirely) of northeast asians especially is that it's not just pigeonholing but there is this underlying or subversive rejection of asians based on the idea that they are generally successful in traditional occupations, so how dare they also try to shine (competition) in areas as well that others have more the market on. this is also a bandwagon that other minorities jump on as well. there is some sense of bitterness/rivalry that's low-key and the reason why asian-americans are usually condescended to in just about every demeaning way besides the usual of working hard for success or 'nerdy'. a form of spite for out-competing especially in education and professional job market as if to ostracize from the mainstream culture is their punishment or ill will. to further undermine, asians are punished for actually working hard and even merit by racist sat scoring and college admissions.

    besides, the fact that american mainstream culture tends to self-identify or divide 'nerds' versus everyone else basically, the idea that one can be nerdy as well as be successful at what non-nerds do as well is threatening to the ego of mainstream or general public and northeast asians have been the butt of as well as pigeonholed as the most nerdiest in every way possible. but they are not 'just' that. they can exercise as much swag and talent as anyone else. that pushes the boundaries of the stereotypical mindset. lmao!
     
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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all. There are a lot of racists. Some racists go after Asians - but most don't.
    Can you produce a few examples (say, three) of Asians being shot and killed by police without good cause? Such a request would be trivial for attacks against blacks. And if your claim is true, and Asians see even more discrimination, it should be even easier.
    Certainly; white nationalists attack all kinds of non-Americans. They are a small subset of the racists in the US.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Brilliant logic.
    Birch: 1+1=3, I say!
    Others: We doubt that. Show us.
    Birch: I don't have to show you, you refuse to see it!
     
  20. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Well, to keep to it simple (staying on the subject of my quote of birch). You won't find no asians being racist, and it's beyond question and even impossible for birch or an asian person to be a racist or a bigot.
    I'll let you tangent off on your black people strawman.
    tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Asia
    Don't forget the Japanese treatment of the Chinese people in ww2. Have the japanese learnt anything from that?
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.co...-japans-current-foreign-policy-towards-china/
     
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  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    the point of the thread is to highlight that racism against asians is not taken seriously.

    using the excuse that there are asians that are racist does not excuse or address the problem. that's always been the usual answer to maintain the status quo of racism.

    well, their are racists in every race. as if me pointing that out or not changes reality.
     
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  22. birch Valued Senior Member

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    it wouldn't matter what is posted like #34 and that article. some will assert that it's not real or proven.

    these types of subjects often are like that.

    so you can stop with the 'show us!'
     
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  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    though it is possible to render things down from a point of ballanced consideration, the oddity that is human does tend to gain and/or lose various social traits or customs.
    while i am not comparing i am suggesting that there is enough data to suggest that it is not a simple causative process.
    emotional disputes between domestic relationships render all sorts of terrible activities without racism being part of it, thus i would expect that racism like domestic abuse could be a behaviour that might be taken on by a person given certain factors.

    underneath it all is the complexity of the human condition. given that whack-a-mole toward such concepts that define other humans as less value are probably a part of the human animal.

    i think it does good give perspective to look at other types of social change to see how slow some things take.
    equality for women is an easy one to point out.
    err-go the moment you think you may have nailed down a concept that innitiates racism, some other causative emotional reaction might illicit a racist action.
     
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