American racism

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  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    https://nextshark.com/k-pop-jay-par...a-facebook-gets-trashed-with-racist-comments/

    https://www.allkpop.com/article/201...ts-a-photo-of-jay-park-on-their-facebook-page

    it is considered socially and politically acceptable to be racist toward asians, specifically against northeast asians (chinese, korean and japanese).

    this is well-known to asians who have grown up and lived in america. it is not blacks, hispanics, middle-easterners, indians, native americans etc that are treated as differently or as outcasts as much as northeast asians.

    i give credit to asian-americans (specifically to northeast asians) because they are very patient, play politics and don't usually play the petty tit for tat game but focus on larger goals and issues: beat them with success or work harder.

    um, i'm not like that though. i will insult anyone if they insult me with any shade or shit i can use.

    on second thought, i realized that it's not all that important for asians to make major breakthroughs in american entertainment industry as there is a market for them in asia.

    what does it matter if western audiences like you or not, as long as the money is the same? considering the majority are stupid, it's moot and pretty much about the money.


    it sure does.
     
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  3. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Some jackass will always find some other jackass to fit his prejudices. Congrats.
     
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    as if people are supposed to pretend it's okay because it's an asian. i've even heard that said by someone in public when someone called out a discrimination and the guy just said 'it's just an asian' as if they don't have the same rights. these aren't isolated ideas. the general public isn't that clever. this is general racism against a group.


    yup. but it's mostly perpetuated by white supremacists and the rest are just dogs on a leash or they parrot white racism/comments.
     
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I know people who are prejudiced against idiots. Avoid them.
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    no, i'm not just letting it slide. there is a serious stupid brain problem america has in it's perceptions.

    but somebody needs to give a wake-up call to reality and that is just because one is not of the asian race or ethnicity, does not make one automatically a better human being or even attractive or even good-looking!!! that's fuking insane!! i'm tired of this stupid bullshit!!

    it's so stupid that even a girl that is blonde with an ugly face or just average is considered good-looking sometimes just because she is blonde. wtf?

    or i've seen some mexican/hispanic/middle-eastern/indian or whatever that looks like a human wart and just because she has a large ass or larger nose with a messed up face, they are considered more attractive than an asian? wtf?

    there is seriously something wrong with people's judgements or critical thinking skills. no, i'm not going to pretend it's okay because asians have been treated as though they are the worst eyesores and like they are supposed to feel ashamed of themselves for even others having to be in their presence because of their slanted eyes and usually being thinner constantly and relentlessly ridiculed for it.

    that's fuking nasty as hell!!! and if others don't want to be called out on their own ugliness, then they shouldn't bully asians. especially in light of the fact, there are tons of hideously ugly people out there of all races!!! all you have to do is step outside your door and really take an honest, unbiased look!!!!

    i've noticed there are people who actually believe that and they are absolutely gross or fuking ugly as sin. those motherfukers need to realize you don't need to be asian to be ugly as hell or revolting because they are also ugly and not asian!!!! it's like a mass self-delusion or hysteria/brainwashing.

    like the idiot who made the comment jay park needs a steak and to go the to gym and the guy is probably a slob compared to jay park who is really fit and he is handsome, rich, successful and smart. wtf??



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  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    your post doesn't make any sense. what is your point? are you saying jap park is an idiot because he is a recipient of prejudice?
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't really understand the premise here. Racism against some particular culture is the same as racism against some other particular culture.

    by whom, exactly is it considered socially acceptable?

    Racist people think racism is OK.
    Rational, kind people know that racism is not OK. Full stop.

    It is well-known to Asians that there are lots of people that are racist toward Asians.
    Astonishingly, it is well-known to blacks that there are lots of people that are racist toward blacks.
    It is well-known to hispanics that there are lots of people that are racist toward hispanics.
    Ditto, middle-easterners, indians, native americans.

    Are you saying that Asians have cornered-the-market on racism?

    That seems pretty racist.
     
  11. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    It's not news that anonymous writing on a bathroom wall is offensive.
     
  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    https://splinternews.com/will-jay-parks-roc-nation-deal-break-down-the-racist-ba-1797307899

    there is a whole lot more than is listed had to go east. i don't know if the american market is conducive for northeast asians in the entertainment sector, especially mainstream music industry, it is still up in the air. it may not be but asian entertainment and particularly kpop and kdramas are a huge hit in certain subsets of american culture as well as southeast asia and europe, which is better received than america as a whole so there is a wider market than just america. america is not the entire world, so it's not a necessity or the only avenue.

    i remember back in the day in my early twenties when i was traveling cross-country i was driving through alabama and had to make a pitstop. i knew i had better go to an asian restaurant of some sort so i stopped at this no-name japanese steakhouse (not even a benihana or kobe etc) and there were a slew of young college asian or exchange students. they all were amazingly talented and were doing tricks i've never seen before; juggling and spinning knives and spatulas with dizzying speed. it ruined it for me for all other steakhouses after that as i expected the same. it was a small college town. i ended up talking to them and they told me that they all worked there because no one else would hire them because of the racism. absolutely deplorable and they were amazing kids and what an amazing show and they made it look so easy. it is sad when people can't or won't acknowledge or appreciate good and talented people for what they are and how they can contribute to your culture. they were really nice guys too.
     
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  13. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you don't know what you are talking about or that aware of mainstream american culture. no one is going to make stereotypical comments about blacks or any other ethnicity with as much ease, if they were frontlined as he was. fact.
     
  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.allkpop.com/article/201...ts-a-photo-of-jay-park-on-their-facebook-page

    Yup. i knew it too because i'm familiar with the attitude. you can foresee, anticipate and even predict as you know 'general' mindsets and attitudes. it's like hush, 'what are these asians doing here?' they don't belong, they are not as american etc' and in a country that touts itself as a melting pot and an immigrant country in a vast land that stretches from the pacific to the atlantic.

    https://nextshark.com/people-upset-bts-won-billboard-music-award/
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/05/23/bts-billboard-music-awards-2017_n_16768224.html

    uhuh..

    the problem with the average american is that they tend to only be aware of just one culture, their own as well as only speak one language. they don't realize that groups like bts also have fanbases worldwide and their votes, choices as well as money also count. most americans don't realize the world is not just america.
     
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  15. birch Valued Senior Member

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    https://nextshark.com/colombian-tv-show-shamefully-disrespects-k-pop-group-bts-racist-gesture/

    https://nextshark.com/edwin-cardona...with-racist-slant-eyes-after-players-collide/

    https://nextshark.com/yuli-gurriel-racist-slant-eye-yu-darvish/

    of course, it's not just americans but northeast asians are particularly seen as being more different than others. this is very childish though. but it's considered acceptable to direct that toward asians because they are the only ones who stand out as more different physically in comparison to other ethnicities. that said, having round eyes doesn't make one automatically attractive either so that's the ignorance. the eye-pulling is meant to convey that one is less attractive because of that feature which is not true. of course not, because the world is full of people with round eyes that are unattractive.

    i mean, come on! it's so obvious that it's kind of befuddling at just how unaware of self people can be. for instance, that host and the man pulling his eyes alone on that show are not attractive. do they not realize that being born caucasian or whatever doesn't mean you aren't ugly or unattractive? i see ugly people all the time of all races. lmao.
     
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  16. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    The link don't work any more the post was removed.
     
  17. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    K-pop still sucks, but let's not be racist about it.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Ironic. This is exactly what I was about to say to you.

    You have a case of confirmation bias.

    You are sensitive to Asian racism because, as an Asian, you experience it.
    I would be rather surprised if you experienced a lot of, say, Hispanic racism.
     
  19. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    I would like to know why birch thinks all white people have a ''sense of uppitiness or staunch conservativism, narcissism and sense of self-importance. '' But, according to birch it's only the ''most evil asians'' that have those qualities. Birch is coming across as a racist.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    It is certainly a degree of hyperbole, but I also recognize what it means. It comes across as racist because by its station in competitive racism, the statement is racist.

    There is a context in which an idea of "white culture" exists, and is seen as radically and destructively and cruelly imposing. And in my lifetime it is true that Asians and Asian-Americans have stopped playing up to "whites" so much; in the end, certain industrialized interests (cough! ChinaJapanKorea) find themselves accused of appeasement and ethnoracial betrayal.

    • Does anyone remember how Bill Cosby's downfall began? That is to say, aside from the sexual assaults themselves? It really might have passed, this time, too, except his PR team made a ghastly mistake that will never, ever in the future history of advertising and marketing research, be adequately explained, and raised a viral video clip from a comedy routine to the stuff of cosmic legend: "Fuck you, Bill Cosby, you rape women!"

    No, really, does anybody remember why Hannibal Buress was saying that? He was picking on a speech Bill Cosby once gave, and skipping out on the words "Uncle Tom". And it's an astonishing speech, with the legendary Bill Cosby himself telling young African-Americans to stop making white people uncomfortable. Don't name your kid Mohammad? Why do I hear Mix echoing in my head: "Man, why I gotta be Jerome? Why can't I be Tommy, or Philbert, or somethin'?" (Answer line: "Just put your hands on the hood, Mohammad"↱.)

    But, yeah. That's why Buress went off on the smug old black man telling young people what to do. Bill Cosby very much sounded to be telling young people of color to do their best to accommodate racism, and that, apparently, left a mark. And when Buress was all grown up, he gave his retort, and somehow had the effect of destroying Bill Cosby.​

    I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. To one side, there was always a white supremacist bully. To the other, there was always a white supremacist authority telling subject minorities to try harder to fit in. To the beeblebrox, even after everything Americans did to their Japanese-American neighbors, you could still find a gray-haired, distinguished-looking Japanese-American gentleman with a respectable job of some sort to wear a suit and tie and tell Asian-Americans the secret is to not rock the boat.

    Don't ask me what to tell the young Laotian-American, for instance; I have no idea what it's like out there, for them. There is a Nepalese contingent somewhere in the area; I have no idea what their elders are telling the young.

    The idea of the most evil Asians is hyperbolic, but at a guess I'm going to go with the perceptions of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean appeasement and accommodation of Western—i.e., dominated by "white culture"—imperialism, and the genuinely demeaning spectacle of watching our elders bow and scrape and humiliate themselves for the comfort of supremacists as an example of how to earn respect. In truth, I think the racism inherent in that manner of competitive hyperbole is why our neighbor pulled the post. It's a difficult question, because it was a racist expression, there is a version of what it might refer to that it I know well, and there is no easy answer, nor simple expression of the question. I just know that in my youth the push was to try harder to fit in, and in my early twenties a local news report in Portland, Oregon, horrified me with tales of young Asian-Americans going so far as to start surgically fitting in. And at some point people will make what decisions they will, but they were trying to fit in by changing the shapes of their faces, hiding their eye color, bleaching their hair and skin.

    I don't know what to tell them. Indeed, I'm pretty sure it's not my place to actually say anything to those people in particular. But the whole bit about trying harder to fit in? Yeah, that was evil. Then again, I wasn't really connected to local Asian communities; I grew up in white family in white exurbia. To the other, the idea of Governor Gary Locke never really stood out to me, and it blows my mind that his tenure here and then in the Obama Administration was such a big deal in the Asian-American community. It's a weird reminder that all the playing along and trying to pass as what Vonnegut described as "honorary whites" apparently is as alienating as it feels.
     
  21. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm not saying that.
     
  22. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, just to make things equal here... all asians have a ''sense of uppitiness or staunch conservativism, narcissism and sense of self-importance, '' Just hyperbole?
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Depends on your definition of "just".

    Meanwhile, do you think history supports your equivocation?

    The most basic sketch of that question can try comparing Pearl Harbor to Commodore Perry forcing his way into Japan, but it's 2018 and we Americans aren't making any priority of learning Kanji, and tend to treat chopsticks like a novelty. Where, in your formulation, do we account for white perceptions of Western appeasement and accommodation of Asian imperialism?
     
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