America: the Melting Pot

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Fraggle Rocker, Jun 10, 2007.

  1. John99 Banned Banned

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    I know you are not seeking to mislead but come on. What studies are you referring to? did some white guy go up and ask 'hey are you doing drugs?' Hey, i know people would rather look the other way and the weakest or most susceptible of any background gets forgotten...real nice. Its a god damn shame, thats what it is.

    Drug use is a very big problem in the black community, denying this does not help at all. And the crackpot stories how drugs get into communities help the people bringing them in and selling the poison to their own people....weather they are white, black or whatever.

    That is just not true at all. NOT TRUE AT ALL, name one single case where this happens. And African Americans and Hispanics make up a large part of any city police force, remember there needs to be that racial group present to be a presence on that particular police force.

    'Out of Africa' - yeah OK, good movie, or is it just we had to come from somewhere. You know, the lies we are told, i dont know, i just dont know...WHY?
     
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  3. John99 Banned Banned

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    I want one person here to name one other country where so many ethnic groups are represented in such large numbers as in the U.S and i will get on my knees and kiss your big fat arrogant ass. I dont see anything changing anytime soon, we will just go on killing each other...thats all there is to it, and we will proudly claim how much we have evolved from apes...'look at us, look at how superior we are'...oh, no, your not superior, i am llokk at my skin

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    Religion? oh, yeah that the problem..no you know what the problem is????? indoctrination, ingrained, like a cancer...
     
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  5. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, what conclusions? That East Asians share closer genetics to Caucasians? What conclusion exactly? The problem you are personally having is that you think this argument is a scientific one, but its not, like I said, its a socio-political one. The word "black" and "white" are socio political terms, not even remotely scientific (are white people actually white in color?Are black people actually black in color?). The fact of the matter is that many people in Africa and Europe will also have genetic variabilities, even if its 0.001 as you say, but we don't have time for this people, we simply generalize their "race". So its basically okay for us to neglect certain unique people and highlight others, which is where the politics starts. If we were going by scientific conclusion, we would not be generalizing everybody so much. The biggest example of this politicking are the native Australians, who most people call "blacks" or "aboriginals", simply refusing to call them native Oceanians. And yes, if Africans shared a closer gene type to everybody, I would go ahead and say there is no such thing as race at all. Afterall, the differences are already dimunitive, so technically there is no such thing as race, the scientists community is divided on this issue. The reason is because, when you want to say there is something called "race", you are never going to be bipartisan, especially when politics are involved. So, bottom line, when it comes to race, nobody is right or wrong, but you can always look at scientific facts to entertain yourself. I apologize for offending anybody here. What else do you wnat me to say, that santa clause exists?
     
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  7. Renrue Someone Registered Senior Member

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    Chatha,

    Boy, you really are something!

    East Asians are not a sub-group of white Caucasians. There, I put it out and simple, and I can't be any simpler. You may go about yelling there's only Eurasians and Africans, but I won't accept "white" and "black" since no one really is "white" or "black" and East Asians aren't a sub-group of Europeans.

    The proof is there for you to read and understand. Take it at your own ability of thought processing. Otherwise, you can yammer on and on.


    [Renrue]
     
  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Here's an ad with stats and citations from three Federal agencies: http://www.csdp.org/ads/kids.htm

    Here's the NIH's own journal: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1405013

    I generally don't trust anything that has come out of the White House since January 2001, but even they post the same figures: http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/minorities/index.html

    Black people use illicit drugs at roughly the same rate as white people, but when they do they are far more likely to go to prison for it.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    If one goes by proportions, rather than absolute numbers: Brazil. Peru. Canada.

    But your point is well taken.
     
  10. WhisperBlade Registered Senior Member

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    Canada. My school has a rough 41% Asian population (of Korean and Chinese being the top, followed by Indians, Japanese, and Pacific Islanders). There's also a 13% African-Canadian population (of Congolese, followed by Kenyans, Sudanese). If you want something Americans like you understand, there's also a 5% in our school that's considered Hispanic.

    This is no bullshit.

    This is the city of Vancouver, University of Victoria.

    In the city itself, my estimate is about 2 - 5% black, 20 - 35% Asian, 5 - 10% Hispanic, and the rest Caucasian.

    1. Kiss my fat arrogant ass.
    2. If you think that's not enough proof, look at the Canadian national consensus.
    3. Stop being a fat arrogant ass.
     
  11. John99 Banned Banned

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    I really dont know why you would post that. Are you honestly trying to say you could take a survey on cocaine use? Drug use especially cocaine is down from the 80s and 90s - black neighborhoods were devastated by crack cocaine...but whatever.

    Did you ever see how crime rates go down every year? Then why arent they ever zero?

    ...drug felonies given probation?

    It does not say anything about prior arrests, which is always a factor.

    See above.

    oh, i doubt it.

    You named how many different ethnic groups? Didnt you understand the post?

    Being right is not being arrogant, i really dont care how many chinese kids are in your school either.
     
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  12. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    H. Erectus is usally thought of as the first to leave Africa or wherever humans first originated. You might find this an intersting read.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_man
     
  13. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    If going by proportion, the UAE has long had a reputation for having more foreign nationals than any other soverign state in the world. The total population of the UAE is roughly 5,000,000 people, while America has close to 300,000,000 people

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAE:D
     
  14. Renrue Someone Registered Senior Member

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    Chatha,

    I see you chose to yammer on. Though, I wish to ask, was my point taken or ignored? There's only one way to figure out.

    How many races are there, and what are they, Chatha?


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  15. Sci-Phenomena Reality is in the Minds Eye Registered Senior Member

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    Its messed up how in california the whites are now the minority. Moving along the west to Utah we see that in the Utah valley where I live illegals are flowing in at a rate of 1000 to 2000 PER WEEK. I'm pretty damn sure the natives of this county aren't having kids as fast the bloody mexicans are flowing in and absorbing tax dollars.

    Its funny that George W Bush built a wall between the USA and Mexico, but there is a catch, it only covers 1/3 of the boarder! This does two things, it appeases those who want to keep America a decent place to live, and it scares the mexicans into thinking that maybe one day they will finish this wall, so instead of blocking the mexicans out, he has SCARED THEM INTO THE COUNTRY.

    What a dumb president to not finish what he started. The wall should be twice as tall and cover the ENTIRE boarder.

    *curses*

    And now the dumb fuck is proposing amnesty!! This will make our already sick national debt larger and make the illegals have higher wages which they don't deserve since they are a debt rather than an addition to the country. Now we gotta build even more schools!!

    Plus, Mexicans are used to having a corrupt government, and they are used to paying off cops to get out of things, and all sorts of underhanded bullshit, whats next on the list is Bush wants to put these Curruption-Desensitized Mexicans into the police force and other government positions. This does not bode well.
     
  16. charles brough Registered Senior Member

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    The best thing for human civilization and the future of society would be for the races to all gradually assimilate---which they are now doing. Not one race has any advantage over the others. Each has, at one time or another, proven its ability to have its own civilization when the others were stagnant.

    Didn't we sink into the Dark Ages? Now, we are entering an ever worse period because now we have WMD and are crowding the earth. The world is no longer being run well. We are stomping on Islam over and over again. We are wasting the Earth's resources on useless senseless "stuff."

    The "aliens" are not causing all that! Our system is failing and no one in control knows why.

    charles
     
  17. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    The best thing would be an eugenics program to raise average IQ, not dumb down the smartest by mixing with the dumbest.

    Yeah! Because the Romans started making citizens out of anyone just like the United States is doing.

    Who's crowding the Earth? White people are shrinking in numbers. Blame everyone else.

    More like Islam is expanding and meeting resistance.

    The "aliens" might not be causing all of this but they are a burden on us. Explain how all those blacks and non-white muslims who rioted in France 2 years ago make France a better country.
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Once again I challenge any of you racists to explain rationally why of all the differences among human populations, you find skin color to be the most important. Ethnographically, it is one of the most ephemeral traits, able to change completely in less than 2,000 years as an ethnic group moves toward or away from the equator. You could complain about people because of almost any aspect of their culture and it might conceivably make a rational argument. But you people consistently harp on skin color as if somehow that is really important. You should all be struck blind, it would really be amusing--not to mention cosmic justice--to see you people have to learn to live without your cherished ability to judge people on the basis of their color.
    This is a fraudulent statement and you racists need to stop spouting it. It has been proven from every conceivable perspective that immigrants--legal or illegal--contribute more to the government's income than they take out. If you want to complain about a drain on the economy, why don't you talk about the government itself? More than ten percent of the American workforce is employed directly (as employees) or indirectly (as contractors) by various jurisdictions of government, and all they do is form bureaucracies fifteen levels deep and sit around "administering" each other. A government grown too big for its britches is a far greater threat to our way of life than immigration.

    It doesn't bother me at all that I can finally hire Mexicans to mow my lawn instead of having to do it myself at age 63 because American kids expect $20 an hour--to use my own lawnmower. But it bothers me a whole hell of a lot that a room full of leering civil "servants" is looking at my wife through her clothes with the new x-ray machines in airports.
    And they have seen what that does to a country and they want no more of it. If you want to contemplate an immigrant group that has spent thousands of years learning how to thrive under a byzantine government, a people who considers rules as obstacles to be overcome, look at our most honored ethnic group, the Chinese. You have to admit that the entire American legal system is designed to train people to think up creative ways to get around it. Everything from the tax code to the welfare system rewards cheaters and punishes people who obey the law. That is the American way.
    Getting into this country illegally requires avoiding thieves, con men and police. I'd say that the average IQ of the people who succeed is probably pretty high.
    You racists certainly rewrite history to suit your own evil agenda. The Dark Ages happened because the Romans adopted Christianity. Civilization ground to a halt when Abrahamism's pathetic one-dimensional model of the human spirit overlaid what had been a vibrant culture. It wasn't until the Enlightenment overthrew the theocrats that Europe caught up with--and has temporarily passed--China and India.
    There is plenty of tantalizing evidence to suggest that quite a few powerful people in America know exactly what is wrong, from Warren Buffett to Hillary Clinton. A free market economy coupled with a democratic political system have worked for us because decentralization of both economic and political power is the most efficient environment for good products and good ideas to succeed. We have seen a frightening concentration of both economic and political power with a concomitant explosion of crappy products (e.g. Windows) and stooopid ideas (e.g. Evolution Denial).

    Unfortunately it is as true as ever that power corrupts, and the people in power like Buffet and Clinton are content to watch America join the Former World Powers Gentlemen's Club with Persia, Greece, Spain, England and Russia, rather than suggest fixing the system that has given them their power.
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Who ever said that skin color WAS the most important feature that racists find offensive? I'll admit that it's the easiest feature to distinguish the black "race", but most racist also don't like many other features of blacks.

    In the Old West, people didn't like "them damned red savages" either, but it wasn't just because they're skin happened to be reddish. That was just the easiest way to distinguish them. Ditto for the Chinese or any other.

    And, Fraggle, if someone doesn't like someone else, it doesn't have to be rational or logical ...in that, you're badly mistaken. And you can challenge racists any time you'd like, but that won't change the facts or the emotions.

    I can tell a black by just hearing their voices, can't you? Now I will admit to being fooled a very few times, but then I see the man and realize that he's been interbreed with white blood so much that he's essentially a white man except for a slightly darker skin tone ...but it ain't black skin.

    So ...what ye're saying is that you're perfectly willing to exploit the illegal Mexicans because of the conditions that force them to work cheap?

    Then why don't they fix their own country instead of invading ours?

    You're trying to hard, Fraggle, to make illegal immigration into a racial issue, but it isn't racial at all. Even racists admit that it's not racial, it's the ILLEGAL INVASION that's at issue. And the remainder of your post is pretty basic ...."If a person wants something better for himself and his family, then it's perfectly okay to steal whatever he needs to accomplish that goal." Personally, I think that's wrong.

    Baron Max
     
  20. Count Sudoku Banned Banned

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    Actually "skin color" is the least of most "racists" concerns about other races. The fact that some races are way more violent, given to corruption and dumber is the main concern.

    Actually I don't know anyone who even mentions skin color. I don't.

    I don't judge them on their color, I judge them on their actions.

    BULLSHIT!!!

    http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/tomatoes.html

    From a California school teacher...

    As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

    I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

    Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

    Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

    I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

    I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

    I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" (whores) and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

    Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

    To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

    Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

    We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it.
    Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

    There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way.

    It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correct" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

    CHEAP LABOR?

    Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

    Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

    Consumers don't want expensive produce.

    Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

    But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. there is no such thing as "cheap labor."

    Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

    He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

    He qualifies for food stamps.

    He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

    His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

    He requires bilingual teachers and books.

    He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

    If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.

    All of this is at taxpayer's expense.

    He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

    Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

    He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

    Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

    The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

    If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

    Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

    Government sucks too. That's not the issue.

    See above about all the "hidden" costs of your cheap lawn cutter.

    How about 20 Mexicans moving next door and leering at your wife?

    Right.....
     
  21. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Renrue,

    The mtDNA contains a mere 37 genes compared with the 50,000 to 100,000 genes in nuclear DNA, and MtDNA's main purpose is to produce cellular energy. Now, I can agree that mtDNA is probably a more accurate way to to trace common ancestors, buts thats basically what it does. This doesn't change the fact that Asians are genetically closer to Caucasians. In other words, this doesn't change the fact that both Asians and Caucasians share common ancestors, which are the haplogroups N and M, found in modern day Middle East. These two haplogroups also happen to be the second oldest haplogroups after the African L1, L2,L3, and M. In fact every single haplo group in East Asia and Europe came from these common ancestors. Therefore, If I would have to choose two races, I'd choose Middle East and African, as opposed to your East Asian and African. But since Middle Eastern fall under the broad category of caucasians or whites, then its also appropriate to say the only races we have are African and caucasian, or Black and white. Like I said, you make good points too, but the basic problem is with the socio-politics. Do you understand?

    http://www.mitomap.org/WorldMigrations.pdf

    L1, L2, and L3 - Found in Sub-Saharan African lineages.

    H, I, J, K, T, U, V, W and X - Found in nearly all lineages from Europe, North African and Western Asian Caucasians.

    A, B, C, D, E, F, G and M - Found in the majority of the Asian, Oceania and Native American lineages

    http://www.dna-worldwide.com/mtDNA-Ancestral-Origin-Population-Assessment
     
  22. Renrue Someone Registered Senior Member

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    Chatha,

    *bangs head onto desk* I did not deny Europeans and East Asians share a closer genetic link. I specifically stated that in a post you QUOTED. You're making circles in this argument, and yet I don't believe they are indirect.

    CHATHA. Read my posts. READ! Literacy is not a bad thing. It is not a dying trend. Reading is what makes us intelligent. This is the only thing I can stress as you run circles in this argument.


    [Renrue]
     
  23. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    What circles? From the mtDNA analysis, its clear that East Asians are not a sub specie of Europeans like I initially thought. I apologize for that. But However, they are a sub specie of Eurasians, who happen to be Middle Easterns and also called caucasians. What is the problem?
     

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