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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You have to say

    "According to the Israel Defense Forces from September 2000 through 2003, 29 suicide attacks have been carried out by youth under the age of 18..."

    and then look for independent verification of their hasbara. Which you will never find

    And add important details like:

     
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  3. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    And given that there were 92 documented suicide bombings during that period, and that most suicide bombers are young, I don't find that number at all hard to believe.

    Nor would Israel have any particular reason to grossly overstate the fact.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
     
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  5. Gustav Banned Banned

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    and nothing in that statement precludes the usage of "auspices". support and approval of a forum where interested parties can air their grievances does not in anyway imply a necessary endorsement of everything that is presented. that may or may not come later in subsequent document
     
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  7. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, yes it does, "auspices" indicates SUPPORT,

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/auspice

    But the report clearly states that they do not necessarily support any statements made by the submitters:

     
  8. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i am done pounding my head against your thick skull
    lets move on

    you seem to have a problem with addameer's submission
    articulate
     
  9. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Let's not.

    Nice attempt to weasle out of it Gustav, but indeed this post is also dishonest in that it implies that you were right and I was wrong.
    But it was you who started this by posting a submission to the UN as if it was from a report from the UN.

    Arthur
     
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  11. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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  12. Gustav Banned Banned

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    ahh of course


    you want me to reword as "alleged isreali practices"?
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I'd be interested in seeing an independent verification of that last citation, there.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I believe its from Kanter's study in Gaza carried out before the last massacre in 2008

    It was part of the UNCTAD presentation, if I am not mistaken
    http://hir.harvard.edu/india-in-transition/a-costly-diagnosis?page=0,1


    And quoted by Falk in his recent attempts to curtail the psychological, physical and sexual abuse of Palestinian children in Israel
    which was quoted by Chris Hedges in his article here

    There was another independent report by Lord Dubs on conditions of Palestinian child prisoners in the West Bank here
    http://www.dci-palestine.org/docume...rns-palestinian-child-detainees-uk-parliament

    According to Kucinich, 50% of the population of Gaza is under 14 years of age
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-klRHEA4Lg
     
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  15. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Well that would have been honest, even more so if you had indicated who it was that was making the allegetions.

    Or are you against basing a discussion on honesty?
     
  16. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i will not reword, kiddo
    if you want to dispute an "allegation", do so
    i will rebut with the primary sources provided in the report along with any others i can find on the internet.

    so are you now demanding that i actually type out a list of all the stakeholders in my post? a link containing such is inadequate?

    you are clearly insane if that is the case


    posturing?

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  17. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Once again you miss the point, kiddo.

    Rewording it would show that it was a mistake and you are not intentionally trying to be dishonest.

    On the internet discussion board you have little of value besides your reputation for honesty.

    See http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2846840&postcount=86 if you don't understand the concept.

    Arthur
     
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  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Geoff:

    A documentary on living conditions in Gaza with Richard Falk narrating the effects on children and conducting live interviews:

    http://current.com/1oh1p4c
     
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

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    crap
    i shall hold all the grievances aired by the stakeholders as provisionally true and factual until proven otherwise


    you can educate me when you get a clue
     
  20. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Big surprise.

    You think it's any shock to find that according to you all someone has to do is make an ALLEGATION against Israel for it to be considered "provisionally true and factual"?

    LOL, hardly.
     
  21. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Just another example of you being dishonest by taking my quote out of context:

    What I actually said:

    All you make clear is you aren't interested in an HONEST discussion.

    Again, no big surprise.

    Arthur
     
  22. Gustav Banned Banned

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    no
    i read the stakeholders submissions and sources and find them based on actual events


    if that is what helps you sleep at night......:shrug:
     
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  23. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Then that's what you should have posted.
     

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