/chuckle so who is the grand poobah of the unhrc that pronounces judgment? you seem to think that it is some sort of judicial body
No, I just know the report you quoted from was just a compilation of submissions to the OHCHR, not a report they produced. There is a difference. http://www.ohchr.org/EN/AboutUs/Pages/WhoWeAre.aspx http://www.ohchr.org/EN/AboutUs/Pages/WhatWeDo.aspx http://www.ohchr.org/EN/AboutUs/Pages/HowWeDoIt.aspx http://www.ohchr.org/EN/AboutUs/Pages/ContactUs.aspx Arthur
i have no idea what point it is you are belaboring. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! but it seems you have a problem with the procedure in which issues are brought up in that forum. lots of countries, not just isreal, are subject to the same level of scrutiny i see....... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! .....the isreali delegation give their perspective without much fuss. of course you probably had not heard of any them until now but have no problem dismissing them since they all sound arab why flaunt your prejudices so blatantly?
Nope I point out only that they likely have a point of view which is not necessarily NEUTRAL. What you need is that FINAL OUTCOME report from the UN because so far all you have done is provide a copy of what was submitted to the UN.
look closely at post #214 so ah if the link was not provided, the document does not exist? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! so fucking what? isreal presents its nation report which is the starting point for the review but you dont see me getting my goddamn panties in a bunch over their spin nor do you for that matter /smirk
And in the "final review", it turns out it is just a summary of positions as so stated: So we are still waiting to see the report from the actual working group. Arthur
what do you expect to see? the international community has always bashed israel and the final report of the 10th session is no different..... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
2 years later, feb 2011..... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ....it only gets worse
More to the point, that laser-like focus has cost said "community" a great deal of credibility, to the point where its output is pre-emptively discounted as politicized to the point of meaninglessness. It's a bad joke - little more than an assembly line for producing a constant stream of criticism of Israel, supported by rogues who wish to use such to distract from their own failings.
take the 10th sessionl and present what you find "meaningless" with regards to israel for instance..... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! explain the lack of credibility, the roguishness, the failings
heh so you won? you aint proved fucking shit all you did was make wild eyed accusations go look at the actual criticism contained in the reports and tell me why they are meaningless you hold the united kingdom to be a rogue nation criticizing israel in order to "distract from their own failings." justify that
ahh is this the point i made for you? so you infer an "unjust" bashing while i am actually remaining non-committal as to whether the bashing was deserved or not? ----------------------------------------------------- you know, i do believe i were to present unhrc reviews of n.korea or myanmar, the zionistas will fall into a frenzy of applause and praise for the org and the international community frakkin hypocrites
Well YOU posted THIS as undisputed facts: isreali practices..... * Use of coercive techniques to extract confessions * Use of confessional evidence obtained illegally to convict * Lack of effective mechanisms for investigating complaints of torture * Arrests and detentions are based on secret evidence to which neither the detainees nor their counsels have access * Neither the prisoner nor his/her lawyer has the right to see the evidence against them * Repeated extension of initial detention without evidence to justify it * Large numbers detained without charges or any trial procedures * “Administrative’”detention is grounded on “security reasons” and hearings are not open to the public. * “Administrative” detention is regularly used against Palestinian children * Seriously bad prison conditions including overcrowding, family visits denied, arbitrary transfers, torture and ill-treatment by Israeli security, soldiers and prison guards, deteriorating health conditions and increasing deaths in custody. I don't find those listed as undisputed facts in the final report. Indeed I could point to this in the final report: On family reunifications and limitations on entry of the Palestinians from the West Bank to Israel, the delegation noted the involvement of the Palestinians from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, using the procedure of family reunification, in acts of terrorism. With regard to the detention of Hamas members, the delegation stated that, in 2006, members of the Hamas terrorist organizations, including Hamas ministers, were arrested and tried for terrorist attacks in open courts. Israel indicated it wanted to correct a few misconceptions in a number of statements. One representative suggested that persons under administrative detention were not entitled to access to a lawyer; in fact, individuals under administrative detention are entitled to counsel and the legal representation of their choice. An impression was given in at least one statement that an exit from the Palestinian territories for humanitarian reasons was not possible. In fact, since the beginning of 2008, over 13,000 ill persons and their escorts have been permitted to leave Gaza into Israel and 135,000 from the West Bank into Israel to receive medical treatment that they would have been unable to receive in the Palestinian territories. Israel recognized that the process of interrogation must be subjected to scrupulous regulation and oversight. Following a landmark High Court of Justice ruling in 1999, the use of torture or any forms of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment is prohibited in interrogations. Israeli Security Agency interrogators must operate in accordance with detailed procedures, setting out permissible interrogation techniques, and are monitored by a complaints inspector, who operates independently and is also under the instruction and close guidance of a highranking attorney in the Ministry of Justice. Since October 2000, thousands of investigations have been conducted, and relatively few complaints have been filed, which if found to be justified, have resulted in measures against the investigator involved. Israel was reluctant to construct the security fence, which was built after waves of suicide bombings, which began in 2002, killed hundreds of people. To protect the inherent right to life, a temporary fence was built as a defensive measure and has proven to be extremely effective in the fight against terrorism. Israel recognizes that its construction raises complex humanitarian questions. There is extensive consultation with the local population in each area regarding the route and humanitarian arrangements, including agricultural gates, access to medical facilities and school buses for children separated from their schools. On the use of administrative detention against Palestinians, particularly against minors, and on concerns regarding visitation rights and court review, the delegation said Israel is aware that administrative detention measures can be susceptible to abuse; however, the Geneva Conventions recognize circumstances where it may be necessary and justified, the guiding principle being that it can only be used in situations of imperative military necessity and in full conformity with article 78 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. There are currently six Palestinian minors in detention, all over 17 years of age, a figure to be considered against a context in which terrorist groups are making deliberate efforts to recruit youngsters. The delegation cited figures to demonstrate that Palestinians incarcerated in Israel have the same access to education as Israelis. On family visitation rights, it said over 20,000 visits take place each month. Sometimes, security considerations can affect approval of family visits, and in such cases, even though the Supreme Court has upheld the principle that security restrictions can constitute grounds to prevent a family visit, a procedure has been developed to enable such visits to take place without compromising on security, through the Red Cross. On the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, the delegation said all Israel Defense Forces were withdrawn from Gaza and the military administration dismantled in 2005. Since then, under the control of Hamas, the Gaza Strip has become a hotbed of terrorist activity. The crossing points, which are the lifeblood for transferring goods and humanitarian assistance, have been directly targeted by terrorists. In late November 2008, on four different occasions attacks were directed against the Nahal Oz, Karni and Erez crossings and their vicinity and a rocket was launched against the Kerem Shalom crossing. etc etc etc
Right - you're doing the proving for me. Thanks again. Call them whatever you want - they're uncontroversial. The UNHRC is only 5 years old, exactly because its predecessor was so bad for so long that it had to be dismantled entirely. And the replacement is well on the road to the same fate. Here's a quote from the summary material on the Wikipedia page for UNHRC: "UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon and former High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson have criticized the council for acting according to political considerations as opposed to human rights. Specifically, Secretaries General Kofi Annan and Ban Ki Moon, the council's president Doru Costea, the European Union, Canada and the United States have accused the council of focusing disproportionately on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict." It should be clear that I will not endorse a prejudicial misreading of my position by engaging a demand to prove such. If the day ever comes where you can summon the integrity to deal with my position honestly, then perhaps we can have the kind of interaction where I subject myself to such demands. Until then, have fun pissing in the wind. I'm sure Palestine appreciates it.
Nope. Was something in there supposed to conflict with the contention that the unhrc is deeply politicized? Meanwhile, I suggest that you buy an actual punching bag for your home and write "zionista" on it. That way, you can work out your peurile urges without haranguing people here, get some real-life exercise, and hopefully end up having something productive to say in the forums.
you are annoying why would you look there when the link underpinning those extrapolations was the...OHCHR Summary of stakeholders’ information: A/HRC/WG.6/3/ISR/3. dont you understand the process? the stakeholders present their case, the nation under review acknowledges or rebuts Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! so? whatever isreal asserts is now undisputed fact? all what that is, is their perspective. their interests. why do you imagine that it should automatically nullify the perspectives and interests of other parties? might makes right? it is a nation state?
I know how the process works. YOU started this by posting Stakeholder data as if it were fact. Which is no different than posting Israeli info as fact.
