Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by S.A.M., Jan 22, 2007.
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and you believe in this? :bugeye:
how far is it from Nationalistic genotypical extremistic views of Hitler?
Er, do tell?
"He added: "If you can educate from an early stage to be more altruistic that would be good for the community, and if you could also show that had an impact on brain development that would be very interesting." "
Why should we inspire altruism?
It is the road to slavery and death.
And suddenly... I'm in favour of eugenics.
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the stars are dim today...their everlasting path towards us has been skewed by nearby brilliant rays of supernova explosion
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I think it is beautiful, do you?
I'm thinking that we can, and should, breed a generation of hyper-altruistic superhumans. A master race that will conquer the known universe and buy it presents.
Could be right ..........
Normally, altruism is caused by the "social part" of your brain (the posterior superior temporal sulcus is a part of that) and the hormone oxytocin ......................Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Thats artificial because altruism is simply an extreme version of selfishness. You have to give to get.
Think for a moment. altruism is the only reason anyone has anything. You have to give something to get something. If you think capitalism or any system can work if no one was altruistic you are wrong.
Capitalism was built up on slavery (forced altruism)
or communism (forced altruism). Altruism is actually in your self interest, it's indirect selfishness.
Example, if you give now to get later. Or if you pay taxes so your children can benefit later. And theres a million ways where you can give to get, but in general people are altruistic because they are paid indirectly.
It's rational to build schools, because in the future you know that this educated class will create all your new technologies so you can go on the internet created by altruists, to download all that free software, and post on this site using free protocols.
Dude if you don't know how altruism benefits you indirectly then you are a damn fool. Some things can only be built through altruism.
Thats better than destroying it.
The only difference between the altruistic mind and the immediate selfish mind, is the immediate mind expects immediate rewards, while the altruist expects indirect rewards over a lifetime, or sometimes over many lifetimes.
It makes perfect sense to be altruistic when you have enough patience to wait 20-40 years to see the results. People often give everything to for example, go to university, get a degree, get a PHD, and win a nobel prize. They don't win a damn thing from it, it's a lot of hard work, but they still do it because they know that their work will be used to create many great things in the future.
Many people over the years, worked hard to create all the gadgets you use now, they gave their lives to make these things which we take for granted. You can say they were altruists if you want, but now people who want to contribute absolutely nothing and who only think of the short term, like to take advantage of people who worked practically for free, or in some cases they did work for free.
Can we at least give altruists credit for doing all the work? Because without altruists we would not have libraries, we would not have schools, we would not have fire departments, we would not have civil society at all, everyone would be selling drugs, robbing each other, scheming, looting and plundering their way to success. No one would give anything, they'd all take what they want, and sooner or later someone will take whats yours and there will be no altruists to make laws to protect your property because hey, why should anyone waste time making laws to protect you? Go make your own laws right?
If there were no altruism, children would be left to die by their parents, I mean why would a parent want a child to leech off of them anyway? A child costs food and money, and for a period of time it will only cry, eat, sleep, and shit. So if you are selfish why not dump the baby in the garbage can?
You see? Altruism is what would make someone adopt that baby and raise it as their own. Then that baby might grow up to become someone great. The altrusitic family benefits indirectly.
What's so bad about altruism?
only so with a majority of non-altruists. if everyone (or even just enough) were altruists, then they would be much stronger than any other.
Altruism is a by-product of the process of increasing the genetic fitness of another individual at the expense of ones own genetic fitness...usually proportional to genetic relatedness.
In humans it is both biological and culturally generated.
Both of them intertwined, as culture makes a big difference in who survives and how they live. altruism is like a natural repercussion of the realiztion that individuals can work together to the benefit of all. Selfishness is the residual primal instinct chiseled in us for the benefit of our individual survival. But instinct is also the genetic realization that single cells can work together for the benefit of all.
Co-operation is king...except when I'm feeling a bit mean. It's interesting that altruism seems to occur in both biology and sociality/culture...perhaps it is so effective as to be a universal principle, or perhaps it is a malfunction of the need to increase the fitness of those of similar genetic relatedness.
They interviewed a guy who pulled a child (stranger) from a burning vehicle at great risk to his own life. When asked what drove him to take this risk, he said that for a moment he imagined that his own grandson were in the car.
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