Like "MENSA" ? Already done. And already accepted. And the presupposition of many, many jokes - starting with the word "objective", and aimed at people who take such things a bit more seriously than a sensible person would.
Mensa has beach front? Hmmm.... Actually, I was thinking of the SAT test and all of our major private and public universities. You know, the ones you support. Like UC Berkeley. Which, coincidentally, has 42% Asian American and 10% Jewish American student under grad cohorts. Interestingly, the SAT is a good measure of IQ, which is 75% genetic. And, Asians make up about 5.6 percent of the total American population and Jews around 2%. Both populations have above average IQ normality curves, and both appear to have a great representation in Universities. Probably because the SAT test is an objective measure. I'm sure it's just one big coincidence. Here's the interesting thing. Many jobs in the USA require a Government certification - particularly the professional associations. By law, you are required to have certification. While many of these jobs do not require a high IQ, with these restrictions in place, which you appear to favor, the low IQ population is displaced. My feeling is, a lot of those lower IQ people, are white and cannot get a good job. Not due to conspiracy theories, but because of regulatory capture. Which is why I expect many of our public institution to fail across the coming decades. Which is good Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The AltRight are just a symptom of an underlying disease: Socialism. I'll be curious to see if the European elite can paper over/repopulate over their own populations before similar political events lead to their own Alt Rights.
RealClearPolitics Symone Sanders, former spokeswoman for the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, appeared on CNN Wednesday afternoon to weigh in on the future of the DNC and the Democratic party. Sanders dismissed the idea of Howard Dean returning as DNC chairman commenting, "we don't need white people leading the Democratic party right now." "Howard Dean is also on record maligning young people and millennials. Telling those Bernie folks they just need to get in line and maligning Bernie Sanders. And that is not what we need," Sanders said about the former party chairman. "In my opinion we don't need white people leading the Democratic party right now," Sanders said. "The Democratic party is diverse, and it should be reflected as so in leadership and throughout the staff, at the highest levels. From the vice chairs to the secretaries all the way down to the people working in the offices at the DNC."
Fascism is not a symptom of socialism. Fascism is a disease all on its own. Oh dude. I think maybe the Europeans already know all about their "Alt Right" factions - there's, like, a history there. Check it out.
Good faith? You just slander my intelligence left and right! You have claimed repeatedly racism is everything, fascist at every turn, and then you say I'm the wingnut, so yeah I'm not going to argue with you anymore, you're beyond hope.
The AltRight White nationalism is an economic movement? I wouldn't know, or particularly care, given my own family isn't this magical being called White. LOL If Whites want a "homeland" then they can buy it peace by peace like everybody else. Who knows? By the time they're done they'll own enough to form a gated community for the elderly. Hahahaha..... THAT said, if people want to identify as AltRight. I don't mind. As long as they are peaceful. Which, one would think you'd be okay with. I have to say I'm sort of surprised. Aren't you a cultural relativist? You know, Bronze Age God worship accompanied with homophobia and the European Enlightenment.... same right?
LOL Much of our economy is Fascist. Which is why we should come clean and rename our country (there's really no nation left) Murder Inc. As an aside, Japanese are quite nationalistic, and they have a Nation. And a lot of private public economic relationships.
Iceaura is hardly the only one to question your reading comprehension, in quite a few instances--not to mention your habit of flip-flopping from post to post, and ignoring context in the most limited sense, e.g. acknowledging (in another thread) that Trump did, in fact, insult his base on a regular basis (though you backpedaled in your very next post); yet, you "liked" Yazata's post--and presumably agreed--when he asserted that Trump won, in large part, by not insulting his base. Also, "good faith" posting concerns posting in earnest, something which you truly believe. Questioning/doubting a person's reading comprehension or intelligence is in no way not posting in "good faith." The real question here concerns whether your repeated distortions of what others' post is a product of poor reading comprehension, or is simply trolling.
When you post troll stuff like that, after repeated and patient correction and explanation, assuming it's incomprehension is giving you the benefit of the doubt. It's fascism. Hence: capitalist. Our politics, you mean. Fascism incorporates capitalist economics - corporate capitalist. That's its characteristic economy. Fascists are not peaceful, unless subordinated to. Same as what? Nope. I'm a slightly left and solidly libertarian - like most people, in matters they haven't had purposefully addled for them. btw: They've already done that, all over the planet. Israel is a recent example - the Confederacy an older one. South and Central America provide several more. The problems come from what they think they own, or can own.
Oh so that is the threads title now, hum. I have argued with iceaura, iceaura is recalcitrant, so therefor I'm done arguing with iceaura, if I was to continue arguing, lacking good faith, that would be trolling. So liking someone post means I agree with every part of it, hum. As for what I "acknowledged" I don't know what quotes your talking about, nor do I think it relevant here, you can PM me on it and we can discuss it there.
It means you agree with at least some of it, including its major argument - which directly conflicts with your other posting. Much as your inclusion of Clinton in the "me, and people like me" conflicts, and your various other alternative sources of the namecalling you regard as having caused the backlash of the Trump vote. You have, as yet, not addressed the central matters of your confusion between analysis, description, and namecalling: 1) Do you imagine there is some way of controlling hundreds of thousands of people to prevent all of them - all, because it only takes four or five to feed a propaganda operation whatever content it cannot simply invent (cf the Shirley Sherrod event, which was a very important part of this namecalling you deplore) - from ever saying anything a Republican video artist cannot rig up to look like namecalling and attribute to whatever source they want to? 2) Are myself and those like me permitted any public venue at all in which we can discuss the central role of racism (among other factors, of course) in the organization of a fascist political movement, such as the one that has now captured the House, Senate, and Presidency? Or are we forbidden such terms altogether? 3) If we are forbidden those traditional terms, are we limited to the vocabulary provided by the fascist movement's propagandists ("Tea Party", "Alt Right", "working class", "American people", etc) or may we search around and find our own?
How? Aah no it is just those hundred of thousands of people and their sjw/regressive ideology is part of the reason why trump won. I can't control them anymore than Trump can control the alt-right, but I can advocate democrats distance ourselves and throw out sjw strategies that failed completely. Of course you are, who is stopping you? I'm just telling you that you and your ilks blaming of all this on racism and fascism is part of the reason why trump won. Who is forbidding you? Go right ahead, if we get 8 years of trump do I get to say "I told you so?" or am I forbidden from saying that?
According to the Vox Day website, and Vox Day is apparently one of the founding members of the movement, he is a Libertarian with some leaning towards Anarcho-capitalism. If I recall, Libertarians are anti-private public economic relationships. And are therefor anti- economic fascism. No, fascism seems to sit more in the Progressive camp, it's the box where things when when outright out-and-out socialism / communism / a Government monopoly provides a good or service (you know, like when you poop - thank Gawd we have GiverMint, or we'd be pooping all over ourselves, unless we lived in Kyoto). For comparison, the other recently formed racial group: Black Lives Matters, they seem to be more inline with economic Fascism. According to their platform, they would like to use Governmental (force to ensure) taxes are specifically used to provide Black Americans with Governmental jobs and Black owned private corporations are required by law, to garner contact by virtue of race, as opposed to other standards, and when Governmental contracts are given to private companies (Fascism), those private companies are required by law to hire a certain number of Black Americans (as opposed to the most qualified, who may or may not be Black): Economic fascism. No, it seems that the Alt Right are more interested in the preservation of what they deem is European-American culture; through equality with other racist movements - economically, they appear to be libertarian. Why any sane person would want to do that (See: Swedenstan) is beyond me. Take what is good, and improve is my favored position. As an aside, I listened to an interview of Vox Day, as he lived in Japan (and is fluent in Japanese and Italian) he seemed to like the idea we do what they do. Reminds me of you. As if we're going to import Japanese nationalized medical care. *POOF* magic happens and it works in the USA. But we are not Japan. Firstly, Japan is a nation. Secondly, without nationhood, some things don't work economically. Which is, why, I think, he started the AltRight. It's my idea, that Japanese nationalism and Italian nationalism, left a mark on him. Well, sorry Vox: not going to happen. There is no American nation. We live as Citizens of the USA. Of course, succession could change that - and is probably a good idea, and (like it or not), will probably happen eventually. Just due to the size the population of Citizens has grown to. Strength In Diversity! Let's hope peacefully Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Note: We do not use capital savings, thus, nothing in the USA is capitalistic. We use fiat currency, the exact opposite. Debt based issuance of credit.
Apparently, you regard "capital" as synonymous with "currency". May I recommend that you quit disparaging the use of Econ 101 arguments, and actually take a basic economics course? The strategies in the last election were developed and implemented by the Clinton campaign. So Democrats are to distance themselves from the typical or average Clinton supporter - a dominant share of a majority of the American voting public, in the last election, and an overwhelming majority of the Democratic vote? I and my "ilks" did no such thing. And nothing we actually did was any part of why Trump won. You can of course say any stupidity that comes into your head. But blaming Trump on the people who correctly analyzed his support and ideology, and warned the Democratic Party clearly and explicitly about its mockery of Trump and its refusal to address the problems with the American economy etc, and had recommended for years now (documented since the late 90s) that the Democratic Party not run Hillary Clinton for President on those grounds exactly, is not only a bootless blaming of the messenger, but of the message itself.
Could you provide a source for that? Because their actual platform has nothing to do with what you are spouting..
Well if Vox Day says the Alt Right isn't fascist, I suppose that settles the matter - if you're an idiot. The current Alt Right crowd is greatly in favor of close ties between capitalist corporations and government - to the point that such corporations take on the majority of governmental functions, and become the de facto government themselves.
And yet you go on about racism being the central issue and the rise of fascism, just like all the other regressives that got us here. Which is the most important issue facing America: economic stagnation of the labor class, or racism?
Racism is a central and ubiquitous and occasionally (as in the health care debate a couple of decades ago) dominant factor in every single American political issue of any national consequence. This is an unfortunate fact, recognized by anyone who wants to make sense when they analyze American political issues. Note the term "a central" used throughout, by sensible people who recognize the existence of actual human beings with actual human motives rather than cartoons who must choose a single aspect of reality and banish all others from their world. For example: a major factor, arguably the largest single factor, in the economic stagnation of the laboring class in America, is the legacy of slavery we know as "racism". It handed power to bank-deregulating Reagan and broke the unions, before that it killed single payer and other attempted health care policy in the post-War 50s and 60s, before that it crippled industrialization of the Confederacy and focused the economic boost of the Wars in the North, in all eras it blinded American working class whites to their common interests with (say) SA, CA, Mexican, and Caribbean, wage employees - including immigrants. So what is the answer to the question you pose? My suggestion is that you quit asking questions like that, and consider the actual political forces that have seen a large majority of the uneducated, white, working class - and no other, such as the black or brown working class regardless of education and economic interests - vote an avowed and blatant racist plutocrat and his posse of blatant and avowed racist buddies into the White House after a campaign based on "identity politics". Donald Trump got his power base via Birtherism and related "Kenyan" and "secret Muslim" and "affirmative action" issues, questioning Obama's personal legitimacy on completely and obviously spurious grounds, remember? Meanwhile, if when confronted with a fascist political movement taking power in your country your response is to never speak the horrible word "fascism" out loud, lest its protagonists be empowered thereby, I'm not sure how best to respond. The inability of the brain trustees of the Democratic Party to say "shit" when they have a mouthful is one of the simultaneously aggravating and demoralizing features of the political Party currently entrusted with forestalling disaster here, but I surely wish it luck.
Why are you promoting white supremacism and white nationalism? The Japanese frequently revisit questions of Japanese, Italian, and German nationalism. We ought not be surprised by the idea of Day―a flaccid rabid puppy obsessed with gay dinosaur butt sex in space who is so terrified of the idea that there aren't enough white male sci-fi writers to dominate the genre and protect it against nonwhite or female "ignorant savage[s]" that he was willing to see himself expelled from the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America for misappropriating resources in order to promote white supremacism―enchanted by such themes. How is being a white supremacist with fascistic tendencies styled after Japanese, Italian, and German nationalism admirable? Why would you promote this manner of racism?
And I disagree completely (classicism is the central ubiquitous issue) and much of the American electorate agree with me, and that is why they voted in trump. Utter bullshit, complete attempt by you to make epicycles to fit your theory to reality. The stagnation of the labor class is due to modern technology and economics, automation and outsourcing. Focus on the present and solutions for present problems rather than trying to connect this to something 150 years ago that nothing can be done about! We need to make eduction better, cheaper, for free preferably, to all, we need universal healthcare, to all, we need basic income guarantee, for all, and we need to tax the fuck out of the rich to pay for all that, doing all that would fix all the wrong that you think is the legacy from slavery, what do you propose would be a more direct fix to the legacy of slavery? yeah that would make sense unless you consider that Trump made gains verse Romney with Blacks and Hispanics. Why if Trump's playing identity politics was the source of his victory would Blacks and Hispanics not voted against him, worse than Romney? Had we voted against Trump worse than Romney HE WOULD HAVE LOST! But clearly we did not hear these racist dog whistles that the redneck whites were hearing, clearly Trump's CLASSIST arguments appealed to enough, despite his blatant racism, to enough WORKING CLASS Hispanics and Blacks to get him elected. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ople-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/ "There are different benchmarks one can use to see how Trump performed compared with prior Republican nominees. Comparing yesterday’s results with 2012, as this Washington Post feature does, shows that Trump actually performed slightly worse among white voters than Mitt Romney did. He did, however, perform better than Romney among blacks, Latinos and Asian Americans, making it more difficult to claim that racial resentment was the dominant factor explaining Trump’s support nationally." Yeah sure but NOW he was elected on WORKING CLASS backlash to the establishment. Get over the past, open your eyes to what is happening NOW! Like Yazata was pointing out we have a working class voting block that is emerging and if we don't get their votes we are fucked, technically we are already fucked because we did not get their vote. Go ahead speak of fascists, see how well that will work in 2020. I'm not stopping you I don't even want to argue with you about this, clearly your mind is made up, so please by all means go right ahead.
