Alert NEWS:COLUMBIA BREAKS UP!

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  1. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Wow... I never thought I'd say this... but...

    I'm tired of arguing with you...
     
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  3. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Because of my interest in the space program, I've been following the
    event rather closely and have begun to get a really uncomfortable feeling
    that the crew and shuttle were doomed before leaving the atmosphere
    thanks to lift-off damage that made a safe re-entry almost impossible
    and that NASA, and possibly the crew, knew it.

    The bummer is that there was no alternative, other than dying in
    space, to an attempted return to earth. The one, very brief, action
    would have been an immediate abort of the mission during lift-off
    and an attempted emergency landing in Spain. Something which had
    not been done before, presented its own problems, and for which
    there was no solid justification in that they could not view for
    possible damage until the shuttle was in orbit ... And by then it was
    already too late.

    Just thoughts.

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  5. chroot Crackpot killer Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, he's a complete nutter. Ignore him.

    - Warren
     
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  7. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    An excellent article in the Christian Science Monitor with regard to
    Russia's contribution to maintaining the ISS until things are back
    on track over at NASA:

    "With shuttle fleet grounded, NASA may need Russia to keep the space station aloft."

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0204/p01s02-usgn.html

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  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I think it would not be hard for NASA to make some equipment and train Astronauts from now on in how to repair and replace these tiles in space. Also EVA should be possible in all STFs! So a redesign to the lab hub will be needed as well.
     
  9. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Half-Cooked,

    1. You can't do it wearing space suit gloves;
    2. EVAs require planning and a space lock;
    3. Weight constraints do not allow for it;
    4. The shuttle is not designed for repair EVAs;
    5. The tiles are not lego blocks.

    Everything isn't as easy as it might appear.

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  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you keep calling me that? You have a problem with me or something? Want to take this outside and man dance???

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    1&3: tiles don't weigh much, some kind of device to do this with could also be fabricated that would not weigh much.

    2: I already mention that.

    4&6: also aware of that, but again I’m sure they can find way around it.

    What is cheaper and less of a trouble afterwards: letting space shuttles burn up or trying to devise a way to fix it?
     
  11. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    WCF (is that better kid?)

    1. Do you have any idea how many tiles, due to their unique shapes, would be needed?
    2. How many years the shuttles been flying without this particular problem occurring?
    3. Are you aware of the very strict weight constrains required by space flight?

    I think not.

    Oh, and I don't like my meat well cooked, even fetal meat, and I don't
    appreciate someone who thinks it's cute to use such a 'nik'. So, yes
    I have a problem with you.

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  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Jess man it’s just a gaming name! I was going for KentuckyFriedFetus but that was sadly taken already.

    Its just a name! you need to calm down and enjoy what little life you have left for the good of it all. Your focus on me is kind of obsessive you relies that? Just some nice advice if your problem is what I think it is: Viagra really could help you.

    I was hoping people would interpret it as a metaphor of the phrase "She's baking a baby" or a pun on being pregnant. If I’m a Well Cooked Fetus that would mean I have been "in there" for to long or that I'm out already… take a guess which one?

    Sorry: Look at my post count I'm at evil mood right now! this was post 666

    Anyways back to the subject
    1. I was at the belief that most of those tiles where of ~3x3 square shape?

    2. Yes but new designs have much larger easier to replace tiles like the one on the now debunked X37 project

    3. 30ton to very low Earth orbit... below 300Miles
     
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  13. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Got to u, kid.

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    No apology needed

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    Viagra? You really do want to see me dead!!!!!!

    1. Nix on the similar shape. More like a thousand unique shapes;

    2. Ah, but we aren't dealing with a new design;

    3. Remember Columbia wasn't used for ISS re-supply because
    of the weight problem .... The following four shuttles were quite
    a bit lighter.

    Hang in there.

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  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    ??? what? Viagra would cause you to much pain? Maybe you should not imply your age in your profile.

    I'm happy you see that my name is not a insult anymore.

    I think the shuttle design is old and we can do better now.
     
  15. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Too much pleasure (I'll be seventy come March)!

    It wasn't an insult to start with. Just jerking your chain

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    Got to have some fun on the 'net.

    Yeah, we could buy the Buran from the Russians and a
    few dozen Proton rockets to put it up there ... Although,
    now that we're using the Russian RD-280 rocket engines
    in the Atlas-V, we might be able to do it without the
    Proton rockets.

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  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Ooooh... but I really wanted to man dance you!

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    what happend to Enurga???
     
  17. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Well we can do better... just not right now.
    Most of the ideas people want to throw onto a new shuttle are still being researched.
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    they woun't be if they had had more money!
     
  19. intjd Registered Member

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    Some interesting STS-107 facts.

    STS107 was the 1st mission in 3 years (16 missions) not to dock with the International Space Station, dock with a satellite (Hubble) or launch a satellite. STS-99 was the previous mission that did not dock or launch anything. It's task was "high resolution digital imaging of Earth using 3D radar mapping"

    Mission Specialist Ilan Ramon, Colonel, Israeli Air Force, was the 1st Israeli to fly an STS mission. His task was to operate a "multi-spectral camera for recording desert aerosol"

    Colonel Ramon's last command was Department Head of Operational Requirements for Weapon Development and Acquisition.

    STS-107 was scheduled to de-orbit 3 days prior to Colin Powell's presentation before the UN where he will demonstrate proof of Iraqi non-compliance to the UN disarmament resolution.

    Do you think the primary mission of STS-107 was "science experiments"?

    The question to ask is what happened to the imaging data? Was the imaging data necessary for Powell's presentation down-linked, or did it reside on a hard-drive in the shuttle. Most high resolution imaging data has huge data file size and would be difficult to down-link. I suspect there are some people very keen on finding a hard-drive.

    It will be interesting to see what Powell presents.
     
  20. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    You can say that about many of things... and most of them are more a immediate danger. Another billion towards the shuttle and we may have save 7 lives. How many lives would that billion save if put to cancer research... or drug education... or airport security... or probably most of all, more/better trained police...

    I agree that research should be done so that we can one day leave this planet... but why spend all that money on 1 shuttle, when you can have 100 probes that do experiments... without the risk.
     
  21. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Some interesting STS-107 facts.

    Which have been made avaiable to scientists
    Yes, and to give other countries penis envy by demonstrating our power.
    Probably the same stuff.

    It would make more sense for them to just use one of the satalites which were designed for this sort of thing.
     
  22. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    And finally, for those who say NASA should have known the shuttle would burn up
    taken from:
    http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/sts107_updatePM_030203.html
     
  23. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Hmmm, not quite. This is the principal behind getting an air tight seal while preserving food and getting a good seal on some of the products sold in stores. It will work equally well with another gas. It is not the oxygen and nitrogen that causes this. It is the heat, which expands and increases the pressure inside the container. And then the contraction that the removal of the heat causes as it cools, not because it contains oxygen or nitrogen or any combination in between.
     

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