i'm curious: do you have a wife or children? this feigning obtuse is starting to piss me right the fuk off. you are comparing a woman putting makeup on and a man driving while sleep deprived on the same level as sexual harassment?? that's how sickeningly trivial you think it is because you didn't even mention drunk driving. really?? okay, i'm going to play along with your stupid shit little game: if the bitch is putting makeup on while driving and causing an accident time and time again, of course she is a menace to society. if the man continues to drive sleep deprived and causes accidents time and time again, then of course they are a menace to society if they don't correct their behavior. You didn't answer my question: is it a simple and understandable mistake if a man grabs your wife's ass or sexually harasses her or stalks her or hounds her repeatedly when she has told them to back off??!! do you think that's an innocent mistake?!! you think that's innocent if someone does that to you? would you do that to someone and lie to yourself that it's just a mistake while taking advantage of the fact the woman is physically weaker so not intimidated. is that okay to you? OTOH, what would you prefer? actual rape before action is taken? does it have to be rape or pedophilia to be taken seriously? is fondling kiddies okay to you? how about just one time? is that excusable to you? how about if it's just one victim and not 8? is that okay? if your wife was raped, is it okay if that perpetrator hasn't raped anyone before? it sure wouldn't be fair to label them a menace to society if it's just one victim right, according to your values? so you would tell her it's the same as someone who put makeup on or sleep deprived while driving. it was just a reckless 'mistake'. if someone is sexually harassing you, it means they don't GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS, FEELINGS OR BOUNDARIES. THAT IS DIRECT AND INTENTIONAL. the examples you gave are not intentionally targeting anyone, but could be reckless. PAY ATTENTION: SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS INTENTIONAL BECAUSE THEY ARE PICKING THE PERSON TO BE DIRECTING THIS ACTION TOWARD. HE GROPED AND SEXUALLY HARASSED 8 WOMEN!!! TOO BAD HE DIDN'T WALK HIS TALK - REPEATEDLY AND PAID FOR IT IN REPUTATION WHEN IT WAS REVEALED. IF HIS APOLOGY IS SINCERE THEN HE SHOULD BE GLAD THAT HE HAS BEEN A GOOD EXAMPLE BY RESIGNING IN A TIME WHEN SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS COMING TO THE FOREFRONT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, NOT BE TOLERATED OR SLID UNDER THE RUG TIME AND TIME AGAIN. HE WAS NOT FLOGGED FOR GODSAKES, HE JUST RESIGNED AND HE'S WEALTHY. you know what is stupid and suspicious about this type of argument is decent men don't sexually harass people. it's actually bizarre how some people try to relegate sexual harassment as some blind and innocent mistake. it is literally no different as a mental and willful choice as someone coming up to you to punch you in the face, and we don't pretend that was just a mistake. you don't accidentally grab people's ass. there is nothing accidental about it. for instance, my stepfather sexually abusing me is because he didn't care about my rights or boundaries. according to you he should not be labeled a menace to society (and if it doesn't include all of society as a target) and it was just a simple blind mistake people make in life, according to the likes of you. you are either a fuking idiot or a disgusting liar because he damn well knew what he was doing but people like you want to make excuses for them. what's even more lurid is they know you are a fool yourself for believing it's an innocent mistake but they sure will take your support. where you logic fails is because when you let these things slide, sociopaths know that's a greenlight to keep doing it and further pushing the envelope or just sexually harassing as many women or children as they can because the moral parameters of society are set at that bar such as by people who think like you. what this means is even if the stepfather i knew sexually assaulted me and not others, so you don't care because it doesn't affect you BUT other sociopaths out there could target your children or wife, sister, brother etc next because of not taking sexual harassment or assault seriously.