AI will create 'useless class' of human

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Plazma Inferno!, Jun 1, 2016.

  1. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    It is hard to miss the warnings. In the race to make computers more intelligent than us, humanity will summon a demon, bring forth the end of days, and code itself into oblivion. Instead of silicon assistants we’ll build silicon assassins.
    The doomsday story of an evil AI has been told a thousand times. But our fate at the hand of clever cloggs robots may in fact be worse - to summon a class of eternally useless human beings.
    At least that is the future predicted by Yuval Noah Harari, a lecturer at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, whose new book says more of us will be pushed out of employment by intelligent robots and on to the economic scrap heap.
    Harari calls it “the rise of the useless class” and ranks it as one of the most dire threats of the 21st century. In a nutshell, as artificial intelligence gets smarter, more humans are pushed out of the job market. No one knows what to study at college, because no one knows what skills learned at 20 will be relevant at 40. Before you know it, billions of people are useless, not through chance but by definition.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...n-humans-life-useless-artificial-intelligence
     
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  3. Edont Knoff Registered Senior Member

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    This is a point that scares me since a while. The thing that I've studied, a mix of machine construction/control theory and computer science is actually the science that drives this - even without AI, improved automatization, better robots, will replace more and more workers. Recently they also replace simple jobs in research, administrion/management and some systems even "compose" music and other crteate paintings. (The music is actually not too bad, and some of the computer generated art is interesting).

    So there is no field really safe - the creative domains will be preserved longer, but as it seems, they will at least shrink.

    The only solution that I see is a sort of machine tax, that income made by machines which replace workers is taxed and this tax is used to support the unemployed. It can be good, like utopia - the machines do all the work, create all the things needed and humans are finally free to live their lives as they wish and be supplied with everything they need.

    But I'm afraid between now and this utopia, there will be bad times of revolution. And there is the dystopian future, unlike the one I've sketched where machines serve the humans, to free them, the future where machines see humans as useless and a burden, and try to get rid of us.
     
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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    As the ability for humans to live longer by becomin more machine than biological... biological humans will become extinct.!!! "

    Author unknown:::
    "Change ant comin... change has always been.!!!"
     
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  7. mackmack Registered Senior Member

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    these idiots are still at it. The United states is at full employment right now (2016). However, in the news you hear how AI will take away our jobs and 50 percent of all americans will be out of a job. SHOW US, PROVE TO US THAT YOU CAN PUT 50 PERCENT OF ALL AMERICANS OUT OF WORK WITH YOUR DEEP LEARNING TECHNOLOGY.

    if your (the tech companies) AI can replace chefs, show us. if your AI can replace teachers and doctors, show us. but please don't spread your lies all over the internet.

    by the way, their autonomous car can only drive a car, it can't do things a mailman can do, like sort mail and answer questions. So that tech doesn't really replace truck drivers or mailman.
     
  8. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    One of the counter-responses is that former human employees will make a work transition to renting / purchasing the smart machines which labor for companies. With their "job / career'" thenceforth being to monitor, repair, maintain, and be overall accountable for the productive output of the machine(s). If that doesn't suffice or isn't even available, then also belonging to a new breed and numerous subset of stakeholders in big business chains and power structures -- but who have very little to zero influence on policy and direction. Which the elite 1% will introduce for the perverse sake of having a surviving consumer class to buy their goods and services.

    Retrospectively, perhaps this non-gov substitute for welfare has a sprinkle behind it of the Henry Ford misconception or myth of "I want my workers to be able to afford the product". Though in this case, just to still have the capacity to purchase anything; and a piss-poor, heavily restricted version of mass co-ownership which may not always even feature contractual activity that corresponds to "worker".

    But primary owners surely won't need but a good fraction of the superfluous bulk of circa 9-billion people in the future in order to continue their supposed self-sustaining system of economic interactions. That's where the oceans of homeless may have to move to and retrograde to Neo-Luddite enclaves which by law lack smart machines. Should the circumstances of that era allow them to establish such huge refuge societies resembling Amish upgrades to the 1950s (if not outright dropping back to even earlier tech eras).
     
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  9. Retribution Banned Banned

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    Or you could simply acknowledge that humans have finally managed to progress beyond the merely biological.
    If AI gets to the point where it not only approximates the thought processes of a human being, but actually becomes one, in terms of thought process... then what the hell is the point of this useless biological suit anyway?

    Nostalgia?
    Sex?
     
  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Mailmen (and mail women) and mail truck drivers were replaced a long time ago. It's called "email" now.
     
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