AI Ethics

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Cybernetics, Aug 16, 2008.

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AI Ethics

  1. Full Human Rights

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  2. Animal Rights

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  3. No Rights, there machines

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  4. Somthing imbetween

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  1. sniffy Banned Banned

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    Paranoia moi? If science doesn't define it then it defies definition. Science fiction it is.

    Many things are set in motion the consequences of which are either dismissed or beyond our comprehension or predictability. This should be a legitimate concern. Of course the flip side of the paranoia argument as you hinted earlier I think are that benefits to any AI/human hybrid might outweigh the costs.
     
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  3. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    is it ok to plug off a really smart computer?
     
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  5. Varda The Bug Lady Valued Senior Member

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    why is it not ok to kill a person?
    and why is it ok to erase a hard drive?
     
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  7. Cybernetics Registered Member

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    actualy as OP i was praying to god someone would mention assimov who, i belive got the right answer
     
  8. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    It totally depends on if those laws are embedded by coding or learnt by an Artificial Intelligence. This of course is the main reason why the film I-Robot and stories similar to it tend to look at a system that "Learns" the laws where it's open to interpretation, much like you are asking in regards to asking whether a learning system has the right to sentience. Notice how our interpretations "differ", of course the likelihood is they wouldn't differ that greatly if we were all brought up the same, not being allowed to have opinions or free will, but being told what to think and how to think it.

    I mention this because after all such "indoctrination" would be programming, much like the concern of if a law had been embedded.
     
  9. s0meguy Worship me or suffer eternally Valued Senior Member

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    why is it not ok to kill a person? it is only not ok if you think that it is not ok, because there is no objective morality. We need this morality for society to succeed, otherwise it would be a mess and life would not be very nice. That is why I think that killing people is not ok.

    why wouldn't it be ok to erase a hard drive?
     
  10. Cellar_Door Whose Worth's unknown Registered Senior Member

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    If it has a sentient mind and can:

    Excrete waste
    Reproduce
    Respire
    Move
    Grow, repair and mature
    Make us of nutrition
    and is sensitive to its surroundings

    then we are bound by law to grant it full animal rights. Only humans have human rights.
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    What are animal rights.. ? They barely exist.
     
  12. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Animals are basically mindless robots. Why should we give them rights?
     
  13. Cellar_Door Whose Worth's unknown Registered Senior Member

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    Enmos -
    As oppose to human rights, you're correct. 'Animal rights' isn't a list of how animals should universally be treated, it's just the reason animal cruelty cases are brought to court. (See various laws on animal suffering).

    Wikipedia -
    Basically, with animal rights, you wouldn't be allowed to inflict a lot of suffering on the said sophisticated robot just because you felt like it. However, 'animal rights' is an ambiguous term, and it would really depend how much like an organism the AI machine was when deciding to what extent these 'rights' would be granted.
    Then of course there's the fact that animal rights are not universal - many countries don't have any animal cruelty laws at all.

    Norsefire -
    Mindless robots who can feel pain, fear and happiness. But 'animal' is a fairly broad term; are you talking about apes or insects, kittens or frogs?
     
  14. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Animals aren't conscious or self-aware, so they can't feel anything.
     
  15. sniffy Banned Banned

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    They can express suffering.
     
  16. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Eevn plants show something akin to pain response, never mind animals.

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  17. Cellar_Door Whose Worth's unknown Registered Senior Member

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    Aren't concious? Look up the word 'sentient' and then find me a source to back up such a moronic claim.
     
  18. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    They can feel things, but they aren't aware of self, so it doesn't matter.
     
  19. Cellar_Door Whose Worth's unknown Registered Senior Member

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    Not in as much depth as humans. However, intelligence is relative; a spectrum rather than absence or possession.
     
  20. Blindman Valued Senior Member

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    Well I would never hurt a cause an animal to suffer. I will even side step to avoid crushing some ants if Im paying attention. Bu I would never grant even the smartest animal Human Rights.

    We poor humans will most likely never know why "I think there for I am" is so profound.

    Even if a machine should one day utter those word's it would be utterly foolish of us humans to give them equivalent rights.

    Rights to multiply, rights to survive against adversity, right to rule and make law.. Rights to make war. What type of madness would that be on our part.
     
  21. Cybernetics Registered Member

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    WTF these prove life not sentience
     
  22. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    If the machine was actually CONSCIOUS, full human rights.
     
  23. Echo3Romeo One man wolfpack Registered Senior Member

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    Fire?
     
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