Afghanistan - What is the objective?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by StrawDog, Mar 11, 2009.

  1. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    And what you say makes no difference about what the USA does. And unless you're as dense as you often seem, the USA is already in Afghanistan and we're already doing whatever the fuck we want to do. And you ain't got no say in it ...none whatsoever.

    Now you can do the typical Muslim extremist things and rattle your scimitars and bluster and threat to take revenge, but it ain't gonna' make no difference. We're there, we're gonna stay there as long as we want.

    Live with it!

    Baron Max
     
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  3. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    You sound like a short person with loads of empty bluster friend. Lets stick to the FACTS.

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  5. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    And you're so radical you make me look like a neo-con.
     
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  7. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    You`re NOT?

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  8. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Saddam allied with the Taliban. LOL. Ridiculous. You should read a bit more about Baathism, its a secular ideology.

    I'm surprised your not a neo-con, you swallow all their propaganda, as explained above.
     
  9. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    And what does Saddam have to do with the Taliban?

    spider was talking about the Taliban, Bin Lid, and Al Quida, nothing about Saddam, and the Taliban was aligned and allied, with Bin Lid, and Al Quida.
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I'm a Democrat, more liberal than Obama, evidently. BR is right (oh god, please don't make me say that again), I never said anything about Saddam being aligned with the Taliban, but Bin Laden's group was. Democrats have been wondering all along why we went to war with a country that didn't attack us. But we aren't at war with Afghanistan, we are helping the Afghanistan military in their struggle against the Taliban. It would be best if only the Afghani military did the fighting, but they aren't strong enough yet.
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Why wouldn't you want to say I am right again? There are several areas in which we agree, Does that Shock You?

    The only thing I hate is acts of terrorism committed by anyone, and lately Islam and Muslims have been committing such acts, murdering their own, destroying their own houses of worship, Mosques, and innocents around the world just because they are there.

    I have never defended someone convicted in far trial for crime committed on the battlefield, interrogation rooms, or just for the hell of it.

    I believe fully in the Ideal of Innocent Until Proven Guilty, and until then, I will suspend judgement until all the facts are presented in court, were they should be, I do not believe in trial in the news paper.

    That is Constitutional and that is the Law of the Land, and that is what I believe in.

    The Constitution Means what it States, and States what it Means, in the simplest of terms, and as such it is a breathing and living Idea.

    The surest way to kill the Constitution is to twists it meaning to match the convenience of the time, and we are doing a very good job of doing just that.
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Wow, congratulations on your newfound respect for the Constitution, Buffalo Roam. When the last President and his cabinet were abusing and overstepping their Constitutional authorities, you often defended them. You must have learned a lot since then. Bravo!
     
  13. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    New found? yes really, 52 years of respect and he calls it new found.

    Typical Liberal.
     
  14. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    You clearly mentioned the Taliban. As seen above. The sad thing is that some people actually believe this. The Taliban is as connected the Alkaeda as the US is to American communists. That's the problem people don't want to think about it. Furthermore, Saddam had nothing contempt for religious Muslims, he tortured and murdered thousands of religious Muslims, Sunnis and Shias (there wasn't a strict dichotomy as there is now with the US invasion and arming of rival sects). At that time, however, he was allowed to do this because he was an ally of the US, and his support was needed against Iran. The US provided him overt support, including mustard gas and other airborne toxins, which he used against Iranian civilians.

    To claim Saddam had any religious feelings is completely false. He has absolutely no connection with 2001 hijackings, and with Alkaeda (the ghostly organization). Naturally, without any concrete proof, we cannot even prove Alkaeda's connection to the 2001 bombings in the US. It's all neo-con propaganda basically, with the intention of invading sovereign Muslim nations.
     
  15. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah typical liberal calling you out on your lies and hypocrisies.




    and also spider and buffalo are right Saddam didn't have ties to the taliban. I mean for christ sake the Baathists were a secularist party why would the ally them selves with religious extremists.
     
  16. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    And yet you're making the claim on several posts that all Muslims are nice guys, that all Muslims want the same things, that all Muslims have the same goals and aspirations in life?

    You've been preaching on this site about the greatness of Islam, yet you admit openly that one of your own loving Muslims tortured and killed thousands of other Muslims? Duh?

    Baron Max
     
  17. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    Just like Americans do. All those peaceloving Americans.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Ahh, but the difference is I'm not here on sciforums preaching about how great and wonderful "all" Americans are .....like you and DH are preaching about the greatness of Muslims and Islam.

    Big difference, Arsalan! Try to figure it out if you can.

    Baron Max
     
  19. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    Haha! Arent you the one talking about military supremacy over these backward people and how no one can stop you? You see, the problem with you is, that you cant acknowledge that every society in the world has criminals amongst them. But that doesnt mean that talking about the good things of that society should be curtailed just because there may be bad apples among them. Every good thing about a society should be talked about and praised, even if, like every other society, there are bad elements in that society. This is what you cant grasp. And then you keep focusing on the Muslims. I suggest you start inhouse first. talk about how Al Qaeda killed a couple of Americans, but Americans killed a lot more themselves and that therefore no good thing about the Americans can ever be talked about. After all, thats what you are saying about Muslims right?
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    This is a change of tune for you. I would be interested to know if your new reasoned humanitarian tone also encompasses the tolerance of religious apostates?

    This is kind of a racist term. Please desist immediately.

    Define "own". The same nation? Religious sect? Tribe?

    But here's the problem: the imposition of islam would merely lead to the oppression of all other religious and political bodies. You are the kettle accusing the pot, in point of fact.

    Let's address this point for a moment, because it's an interesting piece of hyperbole and propaganda that pops up frequently and yet is not well thought out.

    Is it the Americans trying to continue the "war" in Iraq? Of course not. It's a mixture of terrorists and others. Would the Americans run around bombing willy-nilly in the absence of any terrorist element? Of course not. The humanitarian issues aside, it's a supreme waste of time. The inference is that the pernicious Americans forced the terrorist civil war, which is absurd.

    In the second point, DH attempts again to portray islam as a normalizing factor in this equation. But the fact of the matter - as contributors from Sam to Arsalan have admitted - is that the doctrine of the Quran itself is slippery on the subject of war-making. One could call the Americans oppressors, whether or not they actually are (and I firmly expect DH to miss his own point here and then accuse Americans of being oppressors and thereby legitimate targets from a religious persective, firmly setting his left foot on his right

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    ) and suddenly the war is permissible from even the most "liberal" interpretations, as we've seen argued here. So the second point is also wrong, and will be wronger still.

    I don't suppose anyone will learn anything from this. I certainly don't agree with jingoism, but neither are the Americans completely in the wrong here.

    Geoff
     
  21. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    I have? When?
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, sometime or other, I had thought. If I'm mistaken, just make a statement to the contrary and I will magically wave my hand over the water, absolving all evils.
     
  23. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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