Affirmative action should be abolished.

Why do averages matter when it comes to IQ? The average human is stupid. If you are going to judge groups by the average, humans as a species are both the smartest and dumbest. We are so smart that we create our own destruction, then we feed our own misery, then we eat our pain while drinking our tears, just for the joy of serving ourselves.

When you calculate IQ, do you calculate emotional IQ? I doubt you do. Do you calculate creative IQ? I doubt you do. Show me a creative intelligence test, and lets see the averages on that, show me.

 

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To answer your question you would need to read this essay...

http://www.eugenics.net/papers/caseforeugenics.html

it is not specifically race related or particularly long either

The Case for Eugenics in a Nutshell

The focus of this paper will be on intelligence. Here's the argument, in a nutshell:

1. Human intelligence is largely hereditary.

2. Civilization depends totally upon innate intelligence. Without innate intelligence, civilization would never have been created. When intelligence declines, so does civilization.

3. The higher the level of civilization, the better off the population. Civilization is not an either-or proposition. Rather, it's a matter of degree, and each degree, up or down, affects the well-being of every citizen.

4. At the present time, we are evolving to become less intelligent with each new generation. Why is this happening? Simple: the least-intelligent people are having the most children.

5. Unless we halt or reverse this trend, our civilization will invariably decline. Any decline in civilization produces a commensurate increase in the collective "misery quotient."

Logic and scientific evidence stand behind each statement listed above.

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Logic and Evidence for above 5 points given

 

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Answers:
(1) Because you are biased and do not think clearly, you are assuming their "heredity" in terms of IQ possible to develop is inferior. If that were true, why then is it equal at birth (on average in healthy babies)? Must be that the poor schools, etc they have on average to attend is the cause of their lower IQ average in adults - Can you explain the subsequent to birth divergence by some thing less?
(2) the only reference I have seen you post was that "101 facts jerk" who is more biased than you (if that is possible). He thinks black are really "high grade apes." Post a per-reviewed scientific journal article - not a jerk selling his biased views in a book.
(3) I would provide equally good schools (you known things like books in the library, well qualified teachers, no rats or drug dealers in the hall, etc.) for the school in poor (often non-white) neighborhoods.

 

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You are biased. You don't take into account personality type. You don't take into account intelligence types, or anything. Like I said, why not measure creative intelligence?

You are correct, the least intelligent people are having the most children, so what? It's always been like that, we have never had a world where the most intelligent had the most children. The reason is, the more intelligent you are, the more difficult it is for you to find a mate, in a lot of cases. It's only recently that people looked beyond physical appearance when selecting a mate, so yes now intelligent geek or nerd types may be in demand, but there was a time when these types would never be able to find a mate, and instead the atheletes and models found all the mates, the result is beautiful and dumb.

Once again, you are talking about intelligence but you still cannot connect intelligence to race. Only 30% of Americans have college degrees. America is 80% white. This means only what, 10%? 20%? Let's assume 20% of the people getting degrees are white, that remaining 10% are minorities, if you look at a college campus, these are the "intelligent" people you speak of, correct? At least by your standards.

I see it like this, there are different types of intelligence, creative intelligence being popular among minorities, so you have a lot of minorities that are artists and musicians, actors and entertainers, writers and things such as this but you also have some lawyers, doctors and math geniuses.

Now, you have white people, and you have some of the smartest people on the planet on one end of the spectrum, with degrees from Yale and Harvard, and brilliant scientists, then you have the majority, that don't go to college at all, and don't master anything.

The key that you have to account for is that there are more mediocre white people in this country, than there are minorities in this country. This country is 80% white, and only at most 10-20% are college educated out of this 80%, thats RIDICULOUS. I admit, that it's like this for minorities too, but you seem to give too much credit to the "race" and no credit to individuals who actually achieve something. You ignore the fact that millions of people actually go to college and get degrees or even PHDs, and these people are minorities. Are you going to say these minorities are the same as the people who work at Mc Donalds and who aren't good at anything and who don't try to be? Are you going to say that people who dedicate their lives, being a doctor for you, but happen to be black, are useless?

If you put this much faith into race, it's religion, not science. Eugenics? Aestheticism. If you want to focus on body aesthetics, go watch a porn video.

Eugenics is simple, it's the same as judging a woman by the size of her breasts, or a man by the size of his dick. It's the same. Prove it's not.

 

Look, I don't believe we are all created equal, far from equal, but I don't believe in racial intelligence either, I think thats completely ridiculous. Some of the best doctors who ever lived were black, heart surgery was invented by a black person for example. Martin Luther King was a Dr. in fact. I don't know how people can assume that entire groups of people, based on their appearance must be dumb or smart, like how people assume all blondes are dumb, thats another one of those beliefs. Some of the smartest people who ever lived were blonde.

So it's simple thinking, "oooh, this woman has big breasts, and we all know women with big breasts are more sexually intelligent", it's that kind of thinking. Sadly, many people actually do choose a mate like this.

 

1) Just because average racial IQs are the same at birth, it does not logically follow that they must remain the same at adulthood.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Oth...c-Blacks-General&Msc/100FactsAboutBlacks.html

FACT #9: White/Negro I.Q. differences are constantly excused as results of environmental variations. but at least five studies that have attempted to equate socio-economic backgrounds of the two races indicate no significant change in relative results. As environment improves, the Negro does better but so does the White. The gap is not decreased. (26) In fact, extensive research by DR. G.J. McGurk, associate Professor of Psychology at Villanove University, reveals that the gap in intelligence between Blacks and Whites INCREASES where socio-economic levels of both races are raised to the middle classes. (18)

FACT #13: Even when Blacks and Whites have the same backgrounds, in terms of family income and childhood advantages, Blacks still have average I.Q. scores 12 to 15 points lower than comparable Whites. This includes cases where Black children have been adopted by White parents. Their I.Q.s may be improved by environment, but they are still closer to their biological parents than their adoptive parents. (3) (15) (26)

FACT # 15: American Indians, who often live in conditions far worse than American Blacks during their entire lives, still consistently outscore them on I.Q. tests. (3) (27)

THE NEGRO BRAIN

FACT #17: Among human races numerous studies have been made of the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fell within the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain. Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd, and others. (23) (27)

***FACT #18: In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negro brain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain and nervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrested at an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement. (22) (27)***

FACT #19: The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer) of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions are fewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain. (9)

FACT #20: The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstract conceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured, and less complex than those of the White brain. (9) (27) (23) (22)

2) These are facts. They are either true or not true. The guy didn't make it up, he found these facts in books which are cited. If you have any evidence that negro brains are not smaller than white or asian, I'd like to see it because even wikipedia will tell you the same thing. In fact, if you can find anything which disputes these facts let me know.

3) With the adoption studies, blacks were given white middle and upper class educations and living conditions. It did not change the IQ gap. As well, as the Kansas City experiment article indicated...

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=58098

Some tyrant liberal judge got his wet dream fulfilled and created some of the most expensive public schools in America for low income black kansas city students. He got to spend an exorbitant amount of money creating public schools with every conceivable thing a public school would want and there was no significant change in academic performance (or intelligence) of the students that went there. There was however a ton of money poured down the toilet that could have been spent better elsewhere.

 

There are some smart black people. The question is of relative percentages.

Dr. King was not a medical doctor. He had a doctorate in theology which he used plagiarism to get.

Men do not choose women with big tits because "they are more sexually intelligent" they choose them because they are more visually appealing.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Oth...c-Blacks-General&Msc/100FactsAboutBlacks.html

FACT #75-77: On Jan. 31, 1977, Martin Luther King's FBI records were sealed by court order until the year 2027 because, as his wife said, "its release would destroy his reputation" These records are rumored to contain instances of bizarre sexual perversion and homosexuality, and proof that King was under the direct orders of Soviet spies and financed by the Communist Party.

FACT #78: The Wall Street Journal (Nov.9, 1990) disclosed that Stanford University editors of The Papers of Martin Luther King Jr. have long known that King was guilty of plagiarism in his l955 Boston University doctoral thesis, having lifted significant portions from the works of other writers and graduate students.

 

Time Traveller, how old are you? Is English your first language? I almost pity you for some of the silly things you post on this board.

Eugenics is a proven concept which farmers use on animals and which the horse racing industry uses intensively to create the next generation of the fastest horses. The Jews have been practicing eugenics for thousands of years which is one reason why their average IQs are way higher than everyone elses and why they have so much damn money and power in our society.

 

So now you compare us to horses? Okay. Anyway look at this link http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/10/18/unhappy.achievers.ap/index.html

Creative intelligence would require a seperate test from the so called general intelligence(normalcy) test. The normalcy test says certain populations of Asians and Europeans have the highest intelligence, but this is only a measurement of normalcy. Creative intelligence is something different.

Example, how many artists, musicians, writers and cultural designers are there in Europe and Asia? It seems most culture today is coming straight from Urban America, all the graffiti, the hiphop, the break dancing, the skate boarding, all the music, the jazz, the techno, the fashion, all the movies, the acting, hollywood, and theater, just about all the creative and cultural intelligence seems to be coming from America, in specific from urban America, so you must admit that American minorities are good designers, you may not like the designs, but someone has to make music sound good, make art look good, make movies fun to watch, create new dancemoves, make you laugh and all the stuff that you take for granted. You may not find Bill Cosby funny, but most people do, and not just in America.
You may not like hiphop, Jazz or Breakdancing, but if you go to Japan, thats what they listen to and thats what they are dancing. Basically, other countries are copying the culture of this country because we have a lot of great artists in this country, and many of them are urban artists.

Are you going to say that just because you don't like urban culture that it's all trash? Creative intelligence is the intelligence you need to be an artist, the intelligence you need to generate completely new ideas, new ways of thinking about things, this is not something you can judge from a general intelligence test, the whole idea of general intelligence is to judge how people compare to each other in normalcy, in general knowledge. A creative intelligence test on the other hand, would be like, okay write a poem and make it innovative. Or compose a new dancesong and make a club dance. Or create a work of art thats admired around the world.

Creative intelligence is something that minorities bring, blacks in specific, but others too. This type of intelligence is different from the math intelligence, or the general intelligence, but it's equally valueable because you cannot make anything "cool" without the creative intelligence, and you have to admit, most of the things that are "cool" just happen to be urban, so it must be like that for a reason. I highly doubt people all around the world are listening to music they don't like and buying clothes they don't want to wear unless they actually think it's cool. I mean look at Michael Jackson, before he flipped his lid, he was the coolest man on the planet, the king of pop, he would tour Europe and have women fainting and passing out, who else do you know in history who could do that?

Creative intelligence is one example, you also have emotional intelligence. Tribal cultures are often less technological, but they are more at one with the earth and with nature, maybe there is some merit to this, because you have to admit, blacks, native americans and other tribal societies did a good job protecting the earth. Now look at the earth, it's practically in ruins from all the pollution, so sure we advanced quickly because of a lot of brilliant white minds, and because of white genius, but just having math ability, without good design, does not allow you to invent technology thats good for the environment or eco-friendly or anything, because you have to design the technology right the first time. So yes, we do need designers, and tribal cultures and people who descend from these societies were not inferior, they were just decentralized and focused on different ways of living, in specific, the simple life that now many westerners want to go back to.

 

How can there be "facts" regarding the FBI records, if the records are sealed?
Facts are things which are shown, not rumoured about.
That is f*ing ridiculous.

The misuse of language here is appalling.

A person would have to be pretty stupid to fall for such blatant propaganda.

 

You didn't answer if English is your first language or you are still in your teens. If you don't want to, that's fine, I'm not here to harass you. Anyway, enviornmental damage is a consequence of technology and population (and population has increased because of technology) so there is a downside to technology. However, ironically it is the first world (i.e. white) where environmental damage is the least. (China apparently is an enviornmental nightmare) and Africa is becoming one because of overpopulation (deforestation, desertification).

 

The fact is that his records are sealed by the FBI until 2027. It is common sense to believe the reason why they are sealed is because of the "bad things" the FBI have to say about him which are alluded to by his surviving family. If the records say he was a great guy who never did anything seriously wrong, there would be no need to seal the records would there?

 

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There are many reasons why the records regarding such a famous person might need to be sealed - you are suffering from the worst disease humanity has to offer - the idea that what makes sense to you, based on your biases, is "common sense".

I am sure the records contain information about the homes and businesses of many people who are still alive and don't want kooks, racist or otherwise, around.

The records may contain information about sexual dalliances or some other non-incriminating evidence, which the family does not wish to have exposed.

Also, you would be an idiot to think that eveything certain people in the government could ever say about people they have an agenda against is true. Come on, you have no idea what is in there. None. And neither does bird-brain, I mean bird-man.

 

On Jan. 31, 1977, Martin Luther King's FBI records were sealed by court order until the year 2027 because, as his wife said, "its release would destroy his reputation" These records are rumored to contain instances of bizarre sexual perversion and homosexuality, and proof that King was under the direct orders of Soviet spies and financed by the Communist Party.

I highly doubt any racist gives a shit about any of MLK's acquaintances of 40 years ago enough that they would trouble themselves to bother them. How many times has his wife been harassed?

Things are not censored unless they are true and unpleasant which of course is why there is no genuine discussion of racial differences in the MSM in the first place.

 

I'm sure there are many things that would "destroy" the reputation of MLK, a minister of the church, maybe he hired a bunch of hookers, maybe he did blow, maybe he WAS a closet homo?
Just because those things wouldn't destroy his reputation as a civil leader, it might destroy his reputation as a minister, or whatever. You don't know what his wife is reacting to,nor what she means by "destroy" his reputation.

This is propaganda. Listed after fact # whatever is the above quote. It is intentionally misleading. As you know, lots of things are rumored, and many rumors are completely false. Space aliens are rumored to have built stonehenge, but it doesn't lend any credence to the idea that aliens exist. Whether they do or not is completely unknown - whether MLK was working for soviet spies or not is completely unknown. You don't know what is in the selaed documents.

Some lunatic might care, you don't know what is in the sealed documents.

The things which are being censored may or may not be true - you are retarded if you think every statement made by everyone in the FBI is is true - you then would be a true sucker.
Also, did I happen to mention that you don't know what is in the sealed documents?

 

His wife seems to know and think it would destroy his reputation. Who is in a better position to judge, you or her?

 

Mmm, rumours. Homosexual? Communist? Sounds like they were made to order for the KKK

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I 'm sure his wife would think a couple of hookers, or some homo thing would ruin his reputation - but would it prove the rumours about communists, etc.? NO.
Never mind - you don't even understand the fact that what she sees as "ruin" may not be what you think. It is all based upon your definition of the word ruin, and the fact that she may have a different definition than you or that brid-brain guy is just that - a fact. Fact # 1, not rumour # whatever disguised as fact.

 

I know I might repeat what people have already said a little bit or readress the same issues a bit, but I just gotta let this flow as it comes to me....

Here’s my stance. Affirmative action is incredibly racist and biased to all peoples. Its a shame to see such as system in America and should be immediately withdrawn except to those who already have it.

Now I realize that it was created for a good reason. But I think it has run its course and is now doing more harm than good.

In response to the inevitable justifications of slavery I have a few things to say. Not all white people owned slaves nor should be treated like they did, many white people supported and fought for civil rights and risked their lives to end slavery and racism. Now the children of these people are being denied fair chances in college or at their future for something for which they are blameless. Its incredibly racist and rude to white kids - even if they might be better off. Even though it was bad and all that there where slaves and they had to do all that hard work and insane stuff it does not mean today that modern black people have are significantly effected by it, or have any idea what it was like, and should thus not expect to be treated like it. Affirmative action would be alright if it was given to those directly or significantly effected by slavery, for that would be just. But to pay someone for a sacrifice or burden not suffered is ludicrous, or to suggest that black people deserve the money simply because they are black. Like some genetic strand of slavery is still oppressing them. If people feel that the black community is still being repressed, then that is at their own doing, for although they may face challenges, as free men there is nothing holding them back but themselves. That whole gangster ghetto crap only exists because people allow it to, not because they are forced into it.

Another problem I have with Affirmative Action is that minorities do not get the same benefits. As if its wasn’t racist enough. I would like to know who and when someone sat down and decided that an Asian Immigrant or a Latin for that matter didn't suffer as much a black people did, or that they didn’t have as much hardships or racism to deal with. What the hell??? If anyone truly believes that Asian had less discrimination to deal with then black people then they are incredibly ignorant. Just because a minority suffers quietly and deals with it while the other gets all the attention and is always getting themselves in the spot light doesn’t mean its any less.

The whole black/white thing is such an old issue now, that is rerun over and over again for both sides to make excuses for the impoverished classes. As if racism where the real problem. I find it hard to believe anyone in the modern world could ever trick themselves into being truly racist against black people, its so well documented and implemented that they would have to do it intentionally against great adversity. What I don’t understand is how a modern minority in America and accept such an insulting award and allow themselves to be aided simply due to their race, how can people like that respect themselves? Knowing that the only reason they are where they are today is because they allowed racism into their lives.

Its time for the black community (or certain aspects of it) as well as other minorities to stop riding on the free wave of “racism” and start making their own way in the world, and prove their worth and abilities to function as well as anyone can. As many respectable leaders of their own community have, and will continue to, its time for those group to start raising the bar for themselves and not justify their own shortcomings under false prejudices.

Affirmative action should be biased on financial need, regardless of race. Poor white people deserve to go to college too, do you really think America needs more rednecks? What do affirmative action people support next? Religious scholarships, maybe biased on hair color. Because you know blondes put up with a lot of prejudice, and it would be great to get some highly educated ones out there to counter it. Oh, maybe one day blue eyed people will get in easier because there are too many brown-eyed people. I know this may sound idiotic, but so does affirmative action, once you permit one prejudice you allow the commission of many. Don’t get me wrong I love diversity, but what is the point of encouraging equality if your not supporting it.