Acid throwing muslim men!!!!!

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  1. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3129887.stm
    Another day another woman is disfigured by a acid throwing muslim man.
    is there a place in modern times for the evils of islam,
    the people who stick up for this religion will remind you of the attrocities of catholics 50 or even 100 or 200 years ago, but the big difference is all religions apart from islam has grown, we are more educated we no longer burn witches at the stake, we all no the difference between right and wrong, but in islam they are still killing in the name of there religion, when are the twisted and evil clerics who run this massive cult going to speak out condemn the daily attrocities going on in this religion.

    But there lies the problem it is these very clerics who are telling there flock of sheep to go and do these things, the pope has condemned george bush, because that is the job of religous leaders to try and keep the peace and promote understanding and love for all people.

    But the muslim clerics see there job quite differently, they see there job as promoting hatred to other religions, anyone who is not a muslim is a infidel, lower than a dog as they put it, and all infidels are the devils children they say.

    I believe it will take 100 or 200 years before these people and there religion will be educated and at peace with each other, until then is it not time to seperate them completley from the civilised world, and just maybe i can switch on the news for the 1st time in about six years without the first 30 minutes being taken up by muslims killing people around the globe, i like most normal people am sick of this islam circus.

    They have taken away any compassion i ever had for them it has reached a stage that if 20 million of them died in a earthquake tomorrow, i would say that the world is a safer place to live in, and i am very sad to say i would be happy about it,

    but how can i pity a rabid dog and that is islam today one angry rabid dog.
     
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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    why should I not move this to religion subforum? Besides the article this is all just an attack on a religion. Considering how nasty the language is It might as well end up closed or in the cesspool.
     
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  5. surenderer Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry Vinnie but you should read your links before you post them....nowhere in that article does it say that Islam was responsible or even that the man who commited that act was a muslim. It says that it was a "domestic abuse" I assume you said it was a "muslim" thing because it happened in Pakistian but if you would have done your homework you would have known that thing happens frequently in India and Cambodia aslo.
     
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  7. mouse can't sing, can't dance Registered Senior Member

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    vincent28uk,

    The tragic event you link to, is more importantly the action of a very jealous lover or husband. Religion is perhaps used as an excuse, but is, i suspect, not the prime motivation. Do not forget that there are quite a few cases of extreme domestic violence in the West, it is not something traditionally Eastern nor Islamic.

    Today, Western forces are killing in the name of democracy, freedom and economic prosperity. A religion by another name.

    I do not think that all the muslim clerics are extreme fundamentalists. Every religion of course promotes itself, Christianity just as well as pretending to be the only road to salvation, implying that atheists and believers of other religions will end up worse. In only the extreme cases there is a call for arms, but it is of course those cases that hit the media.

    Then, perhaps, you scan the news a bit too biased. The largest crisis in the world today seems to be the one in Sudan.

    Let me get this straight. You feel sorry for a woman disfigured, yet you feel happiness if twenty million people died? Those twenty million are not your enemy, the vast majority of them do not disfigure women on a dialy basis, the vast majority of them do not fly planes into skyscrapers, the vast majority of them just wants a peaceful life. Just like us. In fact, they are very much like us, because they are humans.

    Islam is not different as Christianity in the sense that it is a religion. It does not preach more violence than Christianity, but Islam is nevertheless being used as a leverage to win support by extremist leaders, in very much the same way Christianity was and is used to seed distrust for those we see as "different". By continuously putting the Islam in a negative perspective, you are only playing in the cards of those fundamentalists. They thrive if the West is looking down on the Islam with a pedantic and arrogant look.
     
  8. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    Mouse says
    vincent
    'Then, perhaps, you scan the news a bit too biased. The largest crisis in the world today seems to be the one in Sudan.'
    i say
    and what is the problem mickey mouse in sudan today muslim militia commiting genocide and killing women and children, i ask you is there any sanity or good in this religion.
    on a regular basis churches in indonesia are attacked priests killed people praying killed as they kneel, often mosques are attacked in pakistan by different muslim factions and people killed, there is no sacred place for these people. please please find a time or place in history when normal and sane religions have attacked places of worship and killed people why they prey, and no george bush as a example the whole world already knows he is a complete idiot, and that american planes drop bombs on everthing and anyone that moves, the biggest casualities the brit army sustained in the1st gulf war were from american bombers, like i said no american examples they have the biggest army in terms of hi-tech, but the soldiers using it are hardly hi-tech

    mouse says
    "there is extreme domestic violence in the West"
    where is that west of pakistan or west of sudan get real whens the last time anyone in the us or uk threw acid in someones face in a domestic dispute, sure they shout sure a wife might get slapped but if she had a choice between that and walking around as a freak with a acid scarred face i can guess which she would choose, and the only time christians shout for a call for arms is when the muslim militia are on the rampage in indonesia with there machetties again ridding indonesia of the remaining infidels left there.
    as for tv propaganda sure american tv news is biased everybody knows that including the americans but the uk tv news is 100% unbiased we get everything worts and all about the uk government or army, there is nothing patriotic about our news, and thats the way everybody in the uk like it when they watch the tv news they want the truth.
     
  9. mouse can't sing, can't dance Registered Senior Member

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    You are right, there are Islamic fundamentalists involved in that human tragedy, I (until now) thought it were Arabian factions, who were not necessarily Muslims. Nonetheless, it is not the religion that is the motiviation of such, or most, conflicts. It is the need for resources, and a religion, in this case Islam, is abused for it. Islam in itself is not more inevitably evil than Christianity.

    The colonisation of Southern America by Europeans? The crusades of European armies in the 11th and 12th century? Yet, also at those instances I think it was not Christianity who did the pillaging and killing. I suppose it was more a mode of conquest, a political tool to achieve control over newly found colonies.

    Women do get killed and raped here, just as anywhere else. Maybe pouring acid is a method less used, but violence towards women in itself is unfortunately still present in many other violent and sometimes fatal forms.

    Well, history shows a different picture. The Western nations didn't climb to world dominance in the last few centures by being very tolerant towards other religions or cultures. It is no surprise that those who currently feel suppressed by the West are usually not members of a Western religion. Do not take this as my approval of terroristic violence, I despise it in any form. However, I do think that we should also look at ourselves as a catalyst for a part of that violence.

    I have little or no knowledge about the news channels in the US, but I do watch BBC World (I live in the Netherlands, but we receive BBC World, BBC I and BBC 2 to my great pleasure). I am not entirely sure if they are completely unbiased, but I do argee with you that it is a good source of news.
     
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  10. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    Mouse or (mickey mouse)
    says about catholic attrocities
    "The crusades of European armies in the 11th and 12th century"

    did i not start this thread asking users not to quote catholic abuses of centuries ago

    THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW ITS CALLED EDUCATION, ALL CIVILISED RELIGIONS KNOW NOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL WE DO NOT KILL IN THE NAME OF OUR GOD OR BUDDHA, BUT ISLAM STILL DO IT IS A HONOUR TO THEM TO BLOW THEM SELVES UP IN THE WEST BANK OR NEWYORK, THEY ARE TOLD THEY WILL BE A MARTYR TO THERE CAUSE AND GOD WILL EMBRACE THEM.

    SURE HE WILL AND HE WILL SAY TO THEM HEY THANKS FOR BOMBING NYORK IT WAS ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO BUT I NEVER GOT ROUND TO IT.

    NOW BACK TO THE REAL WORLD WHEN THESE CRAZY CLERICS ASK THESE DIMWITS TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES IN THE NAME OF GOD, WHY DONT THEY ASK THEM ONE THING WHY DOES GOD NEED A HITMEN!!!!!!!!!

    IS ONE OF GODS COMMANDMENTS THOU SHALL NOT KILL
    SURE GOVERNMENTS WILL ALWAYS KILL BUT CIVILIANS UNLESS THERE OF THE ISLAM FAITH RARELY DO.

    DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT IF YOU ARE NOT OF THERE FAITH YOU ARE A INFIDEL ONE OF THE DEVILS CHILDREN.
    FUNNY THING IS MOHAMMED ALI THE BOXER SAID THAT ON THE MICHEAL PARKINSON TALK SHOW AND THAT IS THE TEACHING OF THE KORAN
     
  11. mouse can't sing, can't dance Registered Senior Member

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    I think there is no use in discussing this with you further - it seems clear to me that you are not here to have a dialogue, but just to promote your view.

    It is alarming that you express the same kind of fundamentalism you claim to oppose. This black and white categorisation, this "us versus them" hatred talk, it is repulsive.
     
  12. Firefly Registered Senior Member

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    The pope condemned George Bush? Really??

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    edit - never mind googled it. Heh.
     
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  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I would say this is a sign of the person’s culture, not their religion. I certainly wasn’t surprised to see that the event occurred in South Asia - as that is where these sorts of crimes commonly take place (this occurs frequently in India as well Pakistan).

    Islam is just a belief system. Its tenants are actually quite similar to Xianity and Judaism. The real culprit here is the tribal culture. With the exception of the occasional Western and Eastern manufactured product slipping in (aka: guns, cell phones, and trucks) these people live as they did 5000 years ago. You can’t really expect them to behave as one would living in London or NY now can you? Anyway, you needn’t look all that far back into Englands/Europe’s/Amercia’s past to see a similar brutality taking pass against women (like maybe a mob burning one at the stake for an exceptionally bad drought! or better yet, hanging a women for having a stillbirth! (plenty of women hung at Oxford over the centuries).

    So one could generalize and say Xianity certainly is cruel – I mean most of these people were probably read something right from the good book before they died. Does anyone know – Do they still read from the Bible before killing (I mean execution) people in the States? Anyway, by your reasoning the many Xian LEADERS that rape young boys must imply there is something inherently evil about that religion?

    Summary: Islam is basically indistinguishable from Xianity and it’s really the ME culture that many Westerners find so appalling.
     
  14. s0meguy Worship me or suffer eternally Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, only the islam tells people that other religions and non-believers should be treated as garbage.
     
  15. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    BBC NEWS LINK POPES CONDEMNATION OF BUSH
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3777281.stm

    Firefly
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    "The pope condemned George Bush? Really??

    edit - never mind googled it. Heh."

    APPARENTLY Firefly THINKS I AM LYING WHEN I SAID THE POPE CONDEMNED GEORGE BUSH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHECK OUT THE ABOVE BBC NEWS LINK TO THAT VERY CONDEMNATION DATED 5TH JUNE 2004, AND THE BBC HAS ARCHIVES THAT GO BACK YEARS I AM SURE IF FIREFLY BOTHERS TO LOOK HE WILL FIND MANY MORE SUCH CONDEMNATIONS.

    WHEN I SEND IN POSTS I ONLY REPORT ACCURATE FACTS I KNOW THEY SOUND INCREDIBLE BUT ALL THE ATTROCITIES REPORTED IN MY POSTS CAN BE LOOKED UP IN THE BBC NEWS ARCHIVES, I DO NOT NEED TO LIE TO GET MY VIEWS ACROSS THE ACTIONS OF THESE SO CALLED MARTYRS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

    FIREFLY FEEL FREE TO REPLY BUT GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU TYPE OTHERWISE YOUR GOING TO LOOK DAMN SILLY WHEN I THROW A BBC LINK BACK AT YOU PROVING MY VIEWS.
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    How can you pity the afflicted? Perhaps you should remember, when comparing something to a disease, that some diseases have causes foreign to the host.

    So ... what causes "Islamic rabies"?
     
  17. Firefly Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't think you were lying, don't be so defensive or even presumptuous. I don't care much for American or Christian politics, so I hadn't heard of the visit let alone the conversation during it.
     
  18. StarOfEight A Man of Taste and Decency Registered Senior Member

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    Owned.

    Good work, Surrender.

    And Vince ... what's so suprising about the Pope condemning Bush? The Papacy has a long history of interfering in secular politics.
     
  19. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    firefly (but without the brightness somewhat in the dark about everthing) says

    "I didn't think you were lying, don't be so defensive or even presumptuous. I don't care much for American or Christian politics, so I hadn't heard of the visit let alone the conversation during it. "

    firefly (but without the brightness somewhat in the dark about everthing)
    THATS THE TROUBLE YOU ARE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHEN IN DOUBT KEEP QUIET.

    HERE ARE JUST SOME OF THE MANY LINKS ON MUSLIMS THROWING ACID AT WOMEN.
    YOU KNOW THOSE LOVEABLE MUSLIM RASCALS ON A TYPICAL NIGHT OUT AFTER PRAYING AT THERE LOCAL MOSQUE. SOME OF THE PICTURES ARE QUITE HORRIFIC BUTS THATS THE LOVE OF ISLAM IN GLORIOUS COLOUR.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3313207.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3129887.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/659948.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1861157.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3097469.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3114323.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1535641.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1525051.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1484578.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1487395.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/s/w_asia/44595.stm
    The Lashkar-e-Jabbar has given Kashmiri Muslim women until September-the-tenth to wear the burqa - the full Islamic veil - or face punishment.

    It has accepted responsibility for two acid attacks last month on women who had appeared in public bare-faced.
     
  20. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    HAPPY MUSLIMS ON A WORLDWIDE INFIDEL BEHEADING TOUR MANY COUNTRIES TO CHOOSE FROM, AND STILL PEOPLE COMPARE THEM TO CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLICS
    FUNNY NO MENTION IN HISTORY OF THEM GOING ON BEHEADING TOURS.

    THOSE LOVEABLE MUSLIM RASCALS ON TOUR CHECK THE LINKS OUT READ THE BARBARIC ACTS AND LEARN ABOUT THAT PEACEFUL RELIGION CALLED ISLAM

    philippines beheading
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/719518.stm

    Thailand beheading
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3763085.stm

    Pakistan beheading
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3725511.stm

    India beheading
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1513091.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1323635.stm


    Iraq beheading
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3917091.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3879509.stm

    saudi arabia beheading
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3921397.stm
     
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    History? Really, Vincent?

    Muslim Hostages Slain at Acre, 1191 (Knights Templar) -

    Timeline: 1175 - 1199 (TimeRef) -

    Rejection of Pascal's Wager (Tobin) -

    (I have edited the above passage because I don't understand why you would cut open a corpse to look for "swollen" gems, and because you write with exultation, not "with exulted".)

    Albert of Aix and Ekkehard of Aura: Emico and the Slaughter of the Rhineland Jews (Medieval Sourcebook) -

    So what was that you were shouting, Vincent28UK?

    Funny, indeed?

    I mean, it goes on:

    First Crusade (Wikipedia) -

    The underlying question is one of how the West got from then to now.

    It would be advisable, Vincent28UK, that you make claims less narrowminded and broadly applied.

    Did you happen to look through any history before you wrote that?
     
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  23. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    dear tiassa
    i have come to the conclusion that the people who use this forum dont have the intelligence to understand the meaning of modern times.

    HERE YOU ARE REPORTING ABOUT THE CRUSADES AGAIN WERE YOU AROUND THEN CAN YOU SAY FOR SURE ANY OF THIS HAPPENED. CENTURIES AGO THEY BELIEVED THE WORLD WAS FLAT ASWELL.

    WOULD YOU STAKE YOUR LIFE ON THESE EVENTS BEING ACCURATE, OR IS THESE JUST FANTASY STORIES LIKE LIKE KING ARTHUR AND LANCELOT, OR THE CITY OF ATLANTIS.

    LIKE I HAVE SAID AT THE VERY START OF THIS THREAD MODERN CATHOLIC ATTROCITIES PLEASE ACCOUNTS WE CAN ALL VERIFY, YOU CAN VERIFY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POINTS NOW BY CHECKING OUT MY INTERNET LINKS, I CANNOT VERIFY ONE SINGLE POINT OF YOURS, AND NO HISTORIAN IN HIS RIGHT MIND WOULD CLAIM 100% ACCURACY TO ANY OF THE EVENTS OF THE CRUSADES, OR ANY THING ELSE FROM CENTURIES AGO, SO DONT COMMENT ON THINGS YOU NO NOTHING ABOUT, WE HAVE TV NOW THE INTERNET NOTHING ESCAPES THE CAMERA LENSE THE TRUTH IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE, BUT YOU LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD NEED TO REFER TO THE CRUSADES OF CENTURIES AGO. THEN TO SEND MESSAGES THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET BUT THEY HAD THAT OTHER RELIABLE FORM OF MESSANGER THE CARRIER PIGEON.

    ME I HAVE ALOT MORE FAITH IN THE POWER OF TV AND COMPUTERS TO RELAY ACCURATE INFORMATION, WHY DONT YOU JUST STICK WITH YOUR CARRIER PIGEON FOR YOURS AND TURN YOUR COMPUTER OFF.

    SO REMEMBER THE KEY POINTS HERE
    1. EDUCATION! ALL RELIGIONS HAVE DEVELOPED ISLAM HAS NOT.
    2. MODERN TIMES! REPORT ON THINGS YOU CAN accurately MAKE A POINT ON.

    NOW tiassa TAKE YOUR BLINKERS OFF OR YOUR BLINDFOLD OR YOUR ROSE COLOURED GLASSES OPEN YOR EYES SWITCH ON THE NEWS ON THE HOUR, NOW ARE THEY REPORTING ABOUT THE CRUSADES OR WITCH BURNING, NO RIGHT THERE REPORTING ABOUT MODERN TIMES AND I BET YOU THAT MOST OF THAT FIRST 30 MINUTES OF NEWS IS TAKEN UP BY OUR LOVABLE MUSLIM RASCALS BLOWING SOMEONE UP SHOOTING PEOPLE RIGHT.

    NOW PUT YOUR ROSE COLOURED GLASSES BACK ON AND THINK OF FLOWER POWER,
    AND STOP GETTING SO LIPPY YOU HIPPY!
     

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