Abortion

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Anarcho Union, Feb 25, 2010.

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Do You Believe in Abortion

  1. Yes, its my body, its my right

    23 vote(s)
    41.1%
  2. Yes, I Have Had One And It Made My Life Better

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  3. Yes (other reason)

    19 vote(s)
    33.9%
  4. No, Wheres the Babys Rights? He/She is an American Too

    6 vote(s)
    10.7%
  5. No, It is Murder

    10 vote(s)
    17.9%
  6. No, (Other Reason)

    5 vote(s)
    8.9%
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  1. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i got him. i met him here on sciforums, and yeah, he was riding a motorcycle, not a horse. :shrug:

    and honey, i'm the dirtiest girl i know. lol...

    i don't hate people or myself, i hate what's wrong with us that makes us suffer. why? because i love us.
     
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  3. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    oh, and booty calls are for losers.

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  5. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    So where is the visible hand of your creator? In the lab or in the bed? :m:
     
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  7. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    actually an absence of free will wouldn't remove such suffering - it would just render one incapable of determining it (or anything) as good, bad or moderate


    what I am playing up here is your use of the word "necessary"
    For instance do you think it is necessary for people to rob banks?
    (or do you think such actions reflect an individual's recourse to action amongst a host of other choices?)


    Actually the plan is for us to have free will (which , on the flip side , enables for an assessment of goodness too .... something you don't appear to have noused) .... and part of that plan is to relegate the off the wall stuff to the material world (ie a world where one participates in something like a virtual world, assuming different personalities to play out their inconsequential dramas)



    I think part of the problem is that you think taking birth as a child means that one takes birth with a clean karmic slate ... which is part of what is solved by attaining spiritual perfection - namely the ability to see one's self distinct from t he body that one is awarded due to material desire
     
  8. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    in the allocation of a specific living entity to a specific body (in a specific environment) of course
     
  9. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Well, again, I would have to disagree...
     
  10. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
    O oK... like you lived thru havin an aborton an now you realy know its the rong thang to do... so in 1 reincarnated life-time or anuther... does God want all women to esperience havin an aborton so they will have acheived real knowledge about aborton.???

    Well you said God created us flawed cause he wants us to gane true knowledge... an the only way to do that is to make bad choises an then esperience the result of those bad choises... but now you ant sure if God wants all women to be knowledgable about aborton.???

    Well... sinse you now say its up to God who has abortons... do you wonder why God wanted you have true knowledge about aborton.???
     
  11. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    In reverse engineering reproduction much of the prior mystery that seemed to suggest the hand of G_d has been unravelled and de-mystified. Thus where you may see a visible (but not really) and divine hand, I may see the freckly gnarly (and visible) hand of a scientist.

    So, regarding the sanctity of life relating to abortion, is relegating a 10 day old lab grown fetus to the incinerator considered to be murder?
     
  12. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    no, not really. i just know i do. and i don't think you actually have to be the one who makes a bad choice to experience the result of it. people's bad choices effect other people all the time. especially children, cause they don't really get a choice most of the time.
     
  13. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Indeed. This is precisely the heart of the problem. How, and when do we grant this supposed 'sanctity'?
     
  14. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    to butt in...what about a sanctity for nature itself? for the natural process, causes, and outcomes? if anything, and ironically, wouldn't science support that?
     
  15. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    how twisted is it exactly that we're artificially inseminating, growing babies in test tubes, and at the same time, killing them in mother's wombs?

    it's at the very least inefficient.
     
  16. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Of course this makes perfect sense. But why is the sexual drive hard wired to be so incredibly powerful that for millions and millions of normal folk, at times, it is unstoppable? (enter baby)

    I mean, G_d could have helped us out by making sex a lot less pleasant?
     
  17. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    I don't understand what you mean.

    "Sanctity" is a religious word; it has no sensible application beyond that scope.
     
  18. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Not twisted at all. It's just 'twisted' from a twisted perspective...
     
  19. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    speak for yourself man, i love sex just the way it is! lol...if anything god could make it even better.

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    in my mind, it's impossible to isolate this issue in regards to the way we live our lives, and our values, as a whole. everything influences everything else, and it all compounds exponentially. i'm an idealist. i wouldn't envision changing this one thing, everything else remaining constant. i can though envision god blowing the whole thing up and starting over again though with a select group of people who are committed to change.
     
  20. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    well it is inefficient, and if i'm not mistaken the inefficiency is determined by some form of morality. funny...
     
  21. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Sadly, Lori, a lot of this knowledge was initiated, gathered and stimulated in medical attempts to help woman who could not naturally conceive, no matter how much they loved G_d. :m:
     
  22. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Finding a mate on the internet is for losers

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    If you want to judge things from a purely puerile point of view.

    Interesting. I don't consider anything I do sexually as being 'dirty'. The christians really fucked you up didn't they. I mean what is 'dirty' exactly? Fellatio? Anal? Kissing? Pouring honey over yourself? What makes a sex act dirty? But you don't need to answer any of that as you reveal more than you probably would like to...which is why I call you neurotic. Dirty indeed! You speak about suffering but you seem to be the only one who's afflicted.
     
  23. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    well it's a value for life, or of life, and i was suggesting that if you could assign one to an individual person, you could also assign one to the natural process itself, and ironically, not interfere with it.
     
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