Abortion and the Death Penalty

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cazzo, Jul 18, 2008.

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I am :

  1. For abortion and for the death penalty.

    16 vote(s)
    41.0%
  2. Against abortion and against the death penalty.

    3 vote(s)
    7.7%
  3. Against abortion and for the death penalty.

    11 vote(s)
    28.2%
  4. For abortion and against the death penalty.

    8 vote(s)
    20.5%
  5. Not sure.

    1 vote(s)
    2.6%
  1. Enmos Staff Member

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    So am I.
     
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  3. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    That may be true (about babies going to heaven), but I think Christians pet peev with abortion is it's an act of murder, killing, taking another humans life. An innocent defenseless human at that.
     
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  5. Enmos Staff Member

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    Basically, yes.
     
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  7. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, in atheistic point of view, Enmos view is understandable, because,
    atheists do not believe in God and hence do not believe in creation; I suppose
    atheists believe in evolution, i.e. human are evolved from simpler life forms.
    Then, there is no reason to place higher value on human than on animals.

    In religious point of view, all other life forms are created to support human life.
    However, only human are equipped with necessary brain and heart, and its
    associated responsibilities. Animals aren't equipped with those and hence are
    free from responsibilities.
     
  8. Enmos Staff Member

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    Yes. Other than the fact that we are ourselves humans.
    But that is a completely subjective viewpoint.

    Well, then they are innocent. You said you were against the killing of the innocent.
     
  9. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    All those poor people don't commit suicide because they want to live. If you are
    given the option to be born poor or not to be born at all, which one would you
    choose? I suppose you would like to be born anyway, because you know once
    you are born, you have the chance to have better life.
     
  10. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I am not an atheist.


    In this point of view, some animal are food for human. We aren't allow to hurt
    animal, though. There are ethics in killing them for food. For example, it is not
    allowed to kill animal with dull knives, because it will give them slow painful death.
    It is also not allowed to kill animal for pleasure like in matador or any other sport.
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    I know

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    This is, to me, the scariest part of religion.

    Killing animals for food is perfectly natural.
    I have no problem, in principle, with killing animals for good reasons such as food or direct self-defense (the self-defense argument should the only one for abortion by the way).
    However, we have come to a point that the environment cannot adequately support our huge population. We are damaging it by our very existence.
     
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  12. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    So it's only statutory rape if she's not married? That's asinine. A piece of paper does not make it 'not rape'.

    I'm pro-choice and anti death penalty.

    Didn't ofend or disgust me. I'd like to know though why is it all ripped open?
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    actually VI marrage does nullify stat rape if its a legal marrage santioned by the courts.

    it also is an exception to the liquor licencing laws (if your with your husband or wife you can drink with a meal even if your under 18 if they are over 18)
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i would love to see who voted for what, i think we have a lot of yanks voting here (or alot of sock puppets) to get a result of 71.43% in favor of the death penelty

    every time this has been polled here its around 50% each way
     
  15. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    The law is an ass.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    to be honest its never going to be an issue because the courts are never going to santion marrage for someone who is under age. especially concidering the age of concent in victoria is 16 anyway, i think you need to be 18 to get married there though so you can have sex before you get tied down

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  17. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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  18. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    We are all defenseless against death. That's the way God made the universe. Death will nail us now or later.
    Innocent babies, however, are guaranteed
    ETERNAL JOY.
    No time to sin.
    Just a direct line to their father's loving arms.
     
  19. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, there are a few crazies. But no God is going to send an unborn baby to hell.
    Ask most Christians, they know.
    I assume it is the same in Islam. But you can answer this, perhaps. The God of Islam would not send an unborn baby to a bad place?
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    course not becuse there IS no god, there IS no hell
     
  21. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Does the future exist?
    If it doesn't, then there is nothing one can take from someone.
    If it does, well, it is the way it is-
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thats the process of abortion, they use a vacuum to suck out the fetus, thats the parts you see torn in the process.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    And yet, so many Christians have no qualms about the death penalty.
     

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