Aboriginal child abuse and the NT Intervention

Huh?

You don't believe that people who weren't born in Australia can become Australian citizens?

Or do you think it's just not right that the government allows that kind of thing?

You know, "Brian Foley" doesn't sound like an Aboriginal name to me. I'm guessing you're not Aboriginal, which means that somewhere in your family tree there must be some immigrants to Australia. Obviously, by your argument, they couldn't ever become Australian.

But maybe it only takes one generation to become Australian. You just have to make sure that if you're an immigrant that your children are born in Australia. Then they'll be true-blue Aussies just like you, Brian. Is that right?

 

So you can only be "Australian" if you were born here and white? Or can you only be an Australian if you live here and are white? Which is it Brian?

Are you saying that being a citizen of this country for probably longer than you've been alive does not make me an "Australian"?

You are so mixed up in my ethnicity that your little lies are showing you racist troll. I am not being defensive, you are. You entered this debate defensive. If you don't want me to throw your racist white supremacist tendencies in your face, I'd suggest you stop being a white supremacist. It really is quite simple.

Where did I say I hate Sam? Sam probably knows me better than most on this forum and she also knows that what I say here stays here and we have never not been friends, even if we disagree in the forums.

I am actually not a member of that forum. The search function is open to non members you idiot. Geoff? What does Geoff have to do with anything? Have you missed the memo that Geoff and I don't get along and never ever agree? No? Why would I get them to create accounts in your name? I didn't even know Geoff and any others when you first joined that particular forum.. You've been a member there for a long time, haven't you? Paranoid much? What? Do you think there's some great conspiracy to make you look bad?

I don't need to portray you as anything. You are a bigot. You don't need me to portray you as one. Are you embarrassed that the real you has been brought to light? Does it upset you? I do research on such things. Do you know why? I am actively involved in human rights groups in this country who do write about how such groups affect society and also how they affect the political landscape. It is a point of interest for many of us in the legal field in Australia. Do you know why? Because lately there has been an upsurge in racial violence in this country and such sites are often a good indication of what white supremacists like you think.

I have known you were a member of those other forums for a long time now Brian. Your hypocrisy got so galling that I could no longer say nothing. Don't like it? Tough luck. I know you for what you are and what you are is a racist and a bigot who is into the whole white supremacist shit. I mean look at you in this thread, accusing me, someone you once asked if I was black, of not being Australian because I was not born here. You have questioned me about my colour several times in this forum Brian. It is further proof of your bigotry and racism.

You mean like when you refered to them as a "Boong" was it? And then commented about how they were covered in snot and flies? Don't lie Brian. I'm not a bigot. You are. And I also do not lie. You, on the other hand, do. Now, it seems to me that you are saying that I joined that forum as a sockpuppet (in your name), when one considers I didn't even know you or of you on this forum or any other forum until you joined here and you'd been a member there for longer than I've known you. So yeah, can the lies.

This is me being tired of your hypocrisy and lies. Don't like it? Stop lying and stop being such a hypocrite.

As opposed to when you said they are covered in snot and flies?

It is not stereotypical at all. That is the state of some of their houses. I have seen houses owned by whites in similar states. Aboriginals have an excuse.. lack of plumbing, clean water and education. Europeans who leave houses in a state of ruin do not have the same excuse..

And the result of that is seen in the diseases and illnesses that those living in Aboriginal communities are more prone to getting. If they had access to clean water and proper plumbing and education about hygiene, it might alleviate the issue, but they do not. These are major risk factors and what as a community we all have to combat. Your saying it is racist to address it shows your idiocy and your own racism. I am starting to think that you want there to be an "us" vs "them" - so that you can claim superiority based solely on your colour.

Which shows how little you read the thread. We'd been discussing Native Title and the Intervention for a long time, basically since the start. The Government overriding the Racial Discrimination Act has also been discussed at length. Seems to me you have no idea what has actually been discussed in this thread.

You presented an article about the Ilpeye Ilpeye community without actually having read the article properly. Boo hoo for you. They are also not the only community electing to have private and individual ownership of land as well as Native Title land combined.

Now, for some reason, their privately owning land as individuals offends you. I think it's great. Do you know why? Because it gives them greater protection over said land, protection that NT does not give them. There should be a lot more of it.

I don't apologise to racist and bigots of his kind. They are beneath contempt as far as I am concerned.

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Ya.. Again, this proves how much of a bigot you are.

/Sneer

You mean living in other countries turned you into a white supremacist? Is that your excuse?

Caught me out how? Where? Link where I was a member of any white supremacist sites. You, on the other hand are all over them like a fucking rash.

How dim are you?


That point was never a point of contention in this thread. Go back and read the thread and stop wasting our time.

 

And you're a white supremacist.

My dear boy, I have travelled the world as well as extensively in Australia. I have taken extensive studies of Aboriginal communities and tribal laws. I am also a participant in several human rights, several of which are Indigenous, human rights laws in Australia. Unlike you, I don't shudder and call black people simian.

No retard, you make it even more plainly obvious that you have not been participating in or reading this thread at all. I joined this thread from post number 4. It was never once a point of contention until you took it upon yourself to say that it was.

 

You mean like Diego Garcia? Only the compensation they were supposed to get went missing when the Mauritian Government received it and didn't pass it on..

Normally in Australia, or in Queensland anyway, if there is compulsory acquisition, then you would normally be paid quite a bit for your land, usually well over the market value and it is usually for building infrastructure. I think what Asguard meant is that if the land to be acquired has any significance for Aboriginals, even with no Native Title, it can become quite difficult for the department attempting to acquire the land. As opposed to me, for example, when they wanted to demolish a number of houses for a freeway extension, I did not get a say in the matter. I was told my house and land would be acquired by such and such a date and they were willing to pay me this much for it, etc.

That is what the link that Gus provided was discussing. It's another safeguard of Native land against 3rd party acquisition basically.

That is the point at the crux of the matter. As with the intervention, they took a few suggestions from some elders for their own individual communities and applied it for all in the NT. Those other communities were rarely given a say in the matter. Instead of looking at the child abuse situation on a case by case basis, they approached it by lobbing all Aboriginals in the one group. It was akin to the mass 'evacuation' of that Mormon sect that had been accused of possible child abuse.

Personally I think it is a waste of public resources to enforce dry zones. The alcohol gets in regardless.. The funds used to maintain that would go better towards improving health and education in individual communities. Spend it on education and counselling for alcoholics and their families.

The problem is not so much about who has the right to do what - might can become right and even anti-discrimination laws set aside when political ambitions supercede - the question is that unless the aboriginals have self determination, any act done even as a "favour" to them is basically a slap in the face which undermines their freedom to decide for themselves what they want.

 

Yes Brian. Back in 2008, I decided that I'd start posting in all these white supremacist sites under your name, for me to then confront you with it and pretend it's you in 2010 - you see, this thread, everything was all part of the plan - to get you. Sam and I planned this thread, back in 2008, so that I could then confront you with the white supremacist sites in 2010...



I have a very low opinion of "Ferals" in general, be they the ones in Nimbin who refuse to work and live solely on the dole to live out their fantasy of shitting in the woods and smoking weed for a living, to the ones who live in houses and smear shit up the walls (and they are from all races). Having owned and rented homes to people who have done that, I cannot tell you how heartbreaking it is to see that done to any house. The cost of the repairs to make the house fit for human habitation again is high and trusting people again after that is quite difficult. Which is why most of the homes I own are now reserved for charity and to provide housing for refugees and safe houses for battered women. Never had a single problem since then.


If you find it offensive that I refer to people who smear their leavings on the wall and in the kitchen cupboards as "feral", then that's your problem not mine.


I'll put it into perspective for you though. I have a higher opinion of ferals than I have of you. So people who smear their shit up the walls rate higher in my opinion than you do.

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Ask the Greens. They did very well in the last election.

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