Abiogenesis , theory

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Try Microtubules!
     
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  3. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    For the record though... I honestly think that Chaim Henry Tejman M. D's theories on Wave Theory holding the key to the origin of Intelligence would be relevant to anybody interested in where life would actually begin.

    I think that "I think therefore I AM" would be something like the origin of "Life" and I believe that Wave Theory offers a link to the basic idea of zero's vs ones..... the foundation of computer programming... which would almost certainly occur first in the highest and most energetic dimensions explained by String Theory. Chaim Tejman M. D. has some of the best.... frankly the only writings on this that I have found so far other than The Law of Complexity Consciousness.
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    That's Chaim Henry Tejman M.D., right?

    Not Chaim Henry Tejman D Phil., then.

    Or Chaim Henry Tejman BF, and bar.
     
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  7. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    That is him....
     
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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Dennis,
    What makes you believe that a designer god was necessary to accomplish what has been proven to occur spontaneously anyway?
     
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    Actually... what I believe is that the wording for String Theory implies to my thinking that the first Intelligence.....
    Who is also the first Scientist.... would begin to think and experiment and invent other life forms ......
    within fundamental or nearly fundamental energy much as is being researched in the massive particle accelerator in Europe.

    The four forces operating in four dimensional space time are vastly less energetic than fundamental energy would be......
    so I believe that something somewhat comparable to A. I. began in the original and most ancient energies.

    I think that we tend to be biased against the seemingly obvious implications of String Theory.....
    that Intelligence would begin in the type of energy that actually would exist even before the Big Bang.....
    at least that is the impression that I was left with from chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's Universe.
    In that chapter entitled The Anthropic Principle he gave an Agnostic / Atheistic explanation for the Cyclic Model of the
    Universe that would imply an infinite number of unsuccessful universes out there in which there was no life.....
    due to electromagnetism and / or gravity and / or weak nuclear force and / or strong nuclear force.....
    not being of a magnitude conducive for life as we know it.

    Another obvious option.... is the first Intelligence being composed of fundamental energy... which is not exactly
    a life form that we are familiar with???
     
  10. Dennis Tate Registered Senior Member

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    This idea may not be exactly relevant to your post.....
    but Dr. Ken Ring found out that one near death experience in six involves a meeting with a previously deceased pet. Animals seem to have an afterlife just like we humans do.


    If there is evidence that humans and animals both have an afterlife.....
    what about other much seemingly less intelligent life forms?????
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But there is no evidence of an afterlife, including less intelligent life forms. All stories of near-death cannot speak of an afterlife. Even if you are dying you will not have the ability to look into future, which has not yet materialized. I'm sorry, but you must be objective about this.

    The proof of all this lies when you are under anesthesia and there is nothing, even though your brain is not damaged but just unconscious while leaving the part of the brain that takes care of homeostasis so that it keeps your body alive. (interoceptive brain). You can understand how important an anesthesiologist's job is. You are in a near death state and he/she is the one who keeps you alive but unconscious. Last week I had a double heart ablation and I was gone for a few hours. Not dead, but just gone away into nothingness. Of course I wasn't aware of anything at all. Then I was back. It was 2 hrs later, but it could have been 2 days, 2 yrs, I just wasn't there or anywhere. There was nothing at all. I lost 2 hrs of my life .

    The point is that if you damage the sentient (perceptive) part of the brain and it dies there is nothing, even if the rest of your body stays alive (vegetative state)

    When the conscious part of your brain dies, there will be nothing, nothing at all, but you won't know because the "you" will have ceased to exist and there is nothing, nothing at all.
     
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    I do believe that you are correct that our future that has yet to happen cannot be seen.....
    what I believe is seen by those who are shown a future.....
    is that they are shown a future that has already happened in another time line.....
    and would only happen again if we all made the same decisions.....

    I believe that we are living in a Multiverse and our decisions play a big role in how each time line works out.....

     
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    Ok, that's an interesting POV, but as we can only observe that which is in the past, the alternate universe would have to be ahead of your present, in order to create an event which is subsequently observable in the past in your universe. This gets really complicated.....

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    Yes... it is really complicated...and could even relate to some questions that Stephen Hawking had regarding Black Holes???

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/near-death-experiences.164139/page-9#post-3670382
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    String theory doesn't imply any of that. It isn't concerned with first scientists, or the invention of life forms, or fundamental energy.
    Nothing after the word "so" here follows logically from what was said before that.
    That's not an implication of string theory. The term "before the Big Bang" doesn't really make a lot of sense.
    And so...?
    You're mistaken if you imagine that "energy" is a substance that comes in different forms, "fundamental energy" being one of them. Energy is ultimately just a number, an accounting system.
     

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