Abiogenesis is the Scientific God

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  1. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, could be aliens too. However, there seems to be less and less required of them. Surely a small self-catalyzed reaction would hardly demand the attention of a God.
     
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  3. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Surely, but what is it?
     
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  5. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    The experiment I mentioned is an example of how replication and natural selection can emerge from relatively simple building blocks of organic molecules. For life to occur, it is theorized that you need replication and some form of metabolism.
     
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  7. Nutter Shake it loose, baby! Registered Senior Member

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    Even if "scientists" (i.e., natural philosophers) were able to replicate abiogenesis in a lab, that would demonstrate the need for an intelligent designer.
     
  8. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Great point Nutter.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So we have abiogenesis disproven if it cannot be replicated in a lab, and

    abiogenesis disproven if it ever is replicated in a lab.

    Doesn't sound like labs have much of a role, in Creationist explanations.
     
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    Nutter's was a point of logic.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Actually I said Creator(s) - it's good to see you can accept polytheism may be correct, well done IAC you're getting there

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  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You didn't look up "abiogenesis", did you?

    abiogenesis: A hypothetical organic phenomenon by which living organisms are created from nonliving matter.

    Nothing in the term "abiogenesis" says that a God wasn't involved. Abiogenesis is a generic term referring to life developing from non-life. It thus encompasses God creating life from non-life, as well as life spontaneously arising from non-life by undirected chemical processes.

    In other words, saying "abiogenesis" by itself doesn't close off any possibilities.

    Got any ideas how abiogenesis might have happened, amenable to scientific investigation, IAC?
     
  13. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Flawed logic (i.e. a logical fallacy).

    It would merely demonstrate the need for an intelligent designer to recreate the conditions / event in a laboratory.

    At no point does the recreation of the event in a lab (requiring the intelligent designer - i..e Man) logically give rise to the original event requiring such a designer.
     
  14. Liege-Killer Not as violent as it sounds Registered Senior Member

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    Who ever said you are expected to buy it? I certainly didn't. You are free to believe whatever you wish, and you obviously do. Are you being forced to believe this theory? Is someone holding a gun to your head?

    You know what, I think I'm done with this. It seems every forum has its own anti-evolution trolls who know next to nothing about evolution, who persist in the same flawed arguments over and over again, in page after page of different threads, willfully ignoring every refutation of their views, holding their fingers in their ears and chanting "la la la la la la" to avoid hearing any truth.

    It's very revealing that a very large percentage of your posts are one-liners; this is not the sign of a serious debator, but rather of an annoying mosquito who just comes in for a quick bite. It's guerilla-style, hit-and-run debating. I'm more interested in someone who will seriously reply to his opponent's points. At least VitalOne does a slightly better job of this than you do.

    It's been fun, really, but I don't think it's a good idea to engage you guys any further on evolution and related issues. It's pointless, you will never learn anything, you will never listen to reason, you have your minds made up. I know you will say the same of your opponents, and that only proves how pointless this all is.

    Perhaps one day, when you can prove you've spent some time learning some of the basic science involved, and you're ready to debate in an adult fashion, we can try again. Until then, adios, buddy.....
     
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    No, you apparently won't listen to reason, but as you say, that is your perogative, and by the way, I do believe in evolution per se, so we just need to discuss the details shall we say.
     
  16. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Moved to Biology and Genetics since this is a biological topic
     
  17. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Why did you change the title of the thread Skin?
     
  18. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    To keep it more general. Moreover, the previous title did not make grammatical sense.
     
  19. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    You have never done that before, why this one Skin?
     
  20. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    It was locked while I was typing my reply, but fortunately I copy the text of all my posts before posting.

    Since this is really the same thread...

    You're right, they don't know.
    However, there is nothing to be decoded, they admit they don't know.

    1.) There is no shame in saying, "I do not know yet, but I have some ideas and I am trying to find out.
    2.) Not knowing teh answer does not mean, "God did it!"
    3.) By your reasoning, a Theist saying "God did it", is Theist "code" for, "I don't know".
     
  21. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    They are nowhere close to creating life, therefore, to say that they eventually will is foolish.
     
  22. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Why not? Grammar is an important thing. The previous title presented a grammatical problem. The new title is more accurate, and if you disagree, it is provocative enough for the disagreeing person to refute in the thread.
     
  23. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    You never changed "bad grammar" in a title before, and why did you leave God out of the title, I wrote the title, you didn't, so why didn't you start your own thread, you little social engineer you. (Hey Skin, is social engineer a derogatory term?)
     
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