A simple question about absolute death

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I thank if the mind is gone you are gone.!!!

    Id say wit complete annesia thers nuthin left of you.!!!

    Of course this blank mind coud start a new life.!!!
     
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  3. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I guess you coud seek a legal settlement to divide thangs like in a divorce... but the girl woud have to make her own choice.!!!
    Sounds like a bummer... but you coud simply have the clone frozen an used for quick body part replacments... you coud even upload you'r brain to a computer each night as you sleep in case you have a severe brain injury.!!!
     
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  5. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    The green lizard has duplicated sense of the pink skin version of me. That is the essence of the original post. It may be arrived at from a different pathway

    Whatever happens to you - you remain you - until you are dead
    Then the you that was you becomes your constituent elements
    No matter what physical parts you remove you remain you
    No matter what functions you remove you remain you
    Only when you remove the process of life do you revert back to your constituent elements

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  7. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I vote that best answr

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  8. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    air, water, fire, and earth?
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, your memories?
     
  10. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    You've never cleared your mind of thoughts? I mean, you don't walk your life thinking you are this or that, do you?
     
  11. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    For fun ive tried but not sure i succeeded.!!!

    "If you lost all the contents of your mind, would you still be you?"

    I took that to mean loss of brain activity needed for thouts.!!!

    I have brain activity which allows me to thank what i thank.!!!
     
  12. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Keep trying.
    The "I" is eternal. Everyone and every thing is I. It is born, lives, dies and is reborn again and again and again. So, yes, you are eternal.
     
  13. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Why.???
     
  14. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    You might find your self in the silence.
     
  15. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Its now at the top of my to-do list

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  16. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    If you're content being cluelusshusbaund, that's fine too.
     
  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Were you not content wit who you were.???
     
  18. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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  19. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I am better knowing who I am. Where I was once swimming in my own discontent, I am now happy simply chatting with you, watching the rain, eating a sandwich, or spending a quiet moment while my dog snoozes in my lap.

    Again, if being cluelusshusbund makes you happy, that is fine.
     
  20. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    If you consider memories as part of the essence of me (I do) yes
    No matter which way someone visits my city of Darwin they will find a objective city of Darwin
    They will add their own subject observations, which will not impact the objective city of Darwin
    Subjectively I can have a pink fleshy skin or a hard green scaley skin
    Objectively I can be the essence of me in both skins

    As I have indicated chop off bits, remove functions you stay you
    Where I see a dilemma arising with the essence of you is something like a brain transplant
    If the you you having a new brain installed has a limp, lisp, stuttering or distinctive features but with a new brain those features disappear does that negate my assertion "chop off, remove function" idea?
    Does the brain retain its own you essence?
    What about if the you you obtaining the brain keeps the limp, list, stuttering?
    Does adding features allow the brain to keep its you you?

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  21. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Then i must know who i am cause i feel content.!!!
     
  22. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    Who are you?
     
  23. Andrew256 Registered Senior Member

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    I know the conversation is old, but still I feel something about the consciousness I can't explain in words.

    If you loose all of your memories, including the language, people you know, everything about the world, everything at all - you will be in a similar state as a newborn child.

    However, you would still be you and have a clear distinction between you and other conscious beings (you might need to regain some information about the world though beforehand). It's like something in this universe binds you to a specific point in space-time and keeps you there, tracking your progression along the space-time, and only "release" you once you cease to exist. That "binding" will (might?) remain intact if your brain were transplanted, or if you undergo a theoretical cryogenic sleep and then re-awaken.

    The nature of this "binding" of my consciousness to this specific point in a space-time is what fascinates me the most. And this is what makes me think that a new, similar "binding" can be formed again, because it already happened at least one time. That person (being?) won't be you in a common sense, it won't share any connection with you whatsoever on any level of existence. BUT, it will have the similar "binding" to a space-time that makes you identify as "you" right now.

    In other words, it's not correct to call this reincarnation. Rather, this "new" consciousness would exhibit the same properties as your consciousness do right now. Even though it will not share any connection to you.

    Argh, that's really hard to communicate in words

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    There's even no need for a God, just a natural laws of the universe and whatever makes it tick.
     
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