So, without a word of apology or explanation, now re-posting here what was dumped before here: http://www.sciforums.com/threads/si...gws-are-impossible.157012/page-4#post-3391917 Still a bad fail. The OP has nothing to do with faith, and certainly doesn't require consideration of extreme situations like BH vs no BH re unconstrained collapse. But if you choose to see it as a 'faith issue', won't try and stop you taking that position. Just about anything goes at SF. Even philosophical types chiding me for taking exception to stupid or even intentionally misleading criticisms. Such is SF.