A Question about Mole?

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  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Added footnote: To give you a feel for the numbers here, 5.85g/litre (0.1molar) = 5.85 g/kg is 5,850, say ~6,000 parts per million by mass and this contains ~ 6 x 10²²ions of each type. So 1 ppm would contain ~10¹⁹ ions of each type and 1 part per billion (about the limit of most methods of detection) would still have 10¹⁶ ions of each type. That is 10,000,000,000,000,000.

    And if this is about homeopathy, give it up. It is superstitious rubbish from start to finish.
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Soooo...... homeopathically speaking, you're suggesting that the "effective concentration" of a substance in water is not dependent on the actual number of moles per liter in the actual solution, but on the water's "memory" of what was once there?
     
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  5. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    On looking of its presence all over the world since long back, it will be helpful and a duty of science to understand its science---positive or negative. Since lower quantity can work on Hormesis principle, any lower quantity can show the physiological effects--i.e by creating sensation of defficiency which trigger physiological activities related to defficiency--somewhat fasting effect. This lower quantity is either in molecular form in information form is need to be better understood.
     
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  7. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Homeopathy is understood. It is garbage that is sold to the gullible.
     
  8. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Lowest quantity giving biological effects is not an issue(ref my last post) but presence of lowest quantity or of its information either in molecular form or in its spectrum imprint form is an yet unsolved mystry of homeopathic effect. We may need to go on evaluating its science till either it ends in itself or till its science is understood by new understandings. You will agree that science is not yet absolute and final so new understandings are always possible. Moreover, there should be no issue atleast to adsorption consideration. My personal experiance: we used one frangrant syrup "Roo of zaa". When glass bottle was fully used, we used this bottle as water bottle at home. Thereafter, it was filled hundreds time full of water and used for drinking. Surprising Syrup origional smell did not gone even after hundreds time use. How? Probably, wev may not feel smell from other substances but still it may be there. Dog do recognize more than us. This may be either due to adsorption or otherwise.
     
  9. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    No, I do not believe on fake claims. But so many people are feeling its affects so I am searching either molecular presence of original substance or its information imprints. You know, there is no molecular presence of a substance on photo or in our memory is there but still information is there.
     
  10. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Then don't believe homeopathy.
    Just the placebo effect. There is essentially nothing in homeopathic solution except water. Information cannot be imprinted on H2O. All the water in the wold has come in contact with all the elements and chemicals over the last several billion years, so drinking tap water should cure all deseases!

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    So since the human brain has a memory, water should too? That is rather silly.
     
  11. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    All these are claimed by science people. There can be difference between specific exposure and gernalized exposure. You see a single person, you memorize him but when you see whole world, you may not memorize all. Moreover, new understandings are also always possible till scientific understandings become absolute and final.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Forget it. Homeopathy is rubbish for gullible fools. There is no memory effect- that is just part of the pseudoscience mythology around homeopathy.
     
  13. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    If water had a memory, it would be impossible to remove the pre-existing "information" that was there before the homeopath got his hands on it. The water would remember every substance it had come into contact with since the beginning of time. It would be impossible for a homeopath to control what the water remembered.
     
  14. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Yes it is claimed by one sided science people. But Adsorption and new understandings possibilty can't be denied
     
  15. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Yes it is claimed by one sided science people. But Adsorption, gernalized effect and new understandings possibilty can't be denied
     
  16. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No, it is denied by all science people.

    As you have demonstrated, you only believe in it due to your ignorance of chemistry.
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You didn't address what I said. How would a homeopath selectively "infuse" the water with what he wanted? Why wouldn't the water also remember the bubonic plague that it trickled past a few centuries ago?
     
  18. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Or Hitler's gunk from the showers he took?

    Bam, premature Godwin's law so this thread can end.

    The scientific explanation of what a mole is has been reached.
     
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  19. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Because that had not intrected in homeopathic way.

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    We have also to take into account, possible effect from specific low quantity in comparisn to gernalized higher quantity. Eg. when you see a single dot on your computer screen, you will have to apply different/enhanced physiological activity/concentration than what you need to apply for looking on whole screen.

    Moreover, water is not the only substance with which raw remedy substances interact during remedy prepretions, containersGlass bottles walls composed of Silica etc.), water impurities, alcohol, lactose etc are also there. These are not evalued for getting molecular presence and information imprints in higher potencies.
     
  20. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    The post/thread was reported so that it can be moved the proper section of the forum - pseudoscience.
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So it's magic.

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    I didn't get into this thread to argue against homeopathic rubbish. I just wanted to clarify that that's the rubbish you're promoting.
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    That would be a pity: I thought we did a reasonable job earlier in the thread on Avogadro's Number and the principles of how substances dissolve.

    But now that Kumar has run up the Jolly Roger, I agree further discussion belongs in Pseudo.
     
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  23. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Trying to understand science of a therapy with mass presence justify to discuss that in science forum.

    Ok water can not memorize the information but what about contents in glass bottle walls, alcohol or lactose which are also involved during remedy preprations.

    Ist: Whether Silica in glass can do that i.e. adsorption or memorizing remedy information imprints?
     

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