A Poem Thread

Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by Angelus, Nov 9, 2002.

  1. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    I love it!
     
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  3. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    [video=youtube_share;vnKZ4pdSU-s]http://youtu.be/vnKZ4pdSU-s[/video]
     
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  5. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    @ Trooper,

    Thanks, that was terrific!
     
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  7. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    I can understand it intellectually, but not emotionally.
    Do people really feel that much?
     
  8. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    Only non Randians.
     
  9. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Well, OCD sufferers feel the need to control everything. There is no room for doubt or uncertainty. Emotions are necessary, though. We have to have them. We wouldn't function well without them.

    Emotion, Decision Making and the Orbitofrontal Cortex
     
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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Desolation

    Left emptiness, vacant room
    stark walls, lonely broom
    tilting table, checkered cloth
    coffee stains, lifeless moth
    human beings here once dwelt
    perhaps hope here once was felt
    but look around and see
    could it have been but misery
    desolation dwells

    Uninspired ornaments of alabaster
    molded scrolls of casting plaster
    windows smudged with coated grime
    wooden floors revealing time
    desolation dwells

    Left emptiness, vacant room
    stark walls, lonely broom
    tilting table, rusty knife
    reminders of the time
    this lonely place once was alive
    human beings here once dwelt
    joy and sorrow once were felt
    now shadows cast a silent spell
    and desolation dwells
     
  11. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Ants function perfectly well without them.

    What you mean is that we wouldn't function well as humans without them... and in that case, I'd agree. My quibble is that in acknowledging their usefulness, we tend to ascribe to them too much importance. Doubt and uncertainty are useful only in that they aid in decision making once one overcomes them.
    Emotions are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Romantic literature gives the illusion otherwise, and that illusion is the bane of many.

    Might try my hand at poetry... again... someday.
     
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  12. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Muha.
    And they're all so useful.
     
  13. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Well, perhaps we are pheromone insensitive but we're not blind, are we? Chemicals used to elicit social and reproductive behaviors; how are emotions any different? Distant signaling was probably very useful. You’d never want to be up close and personal with a potential enemy now, would you?

    "Modern cognitive science and neuroscience show that studying the role of emotion in mental function (including topics ranging from flashes of scientific insight to making future plans), that no human has ever satisfied this criterion, except perhaps a person with no affective feelings, for example an individual with a massively damaged amygdala or severe psychopathy. Thus, such an idealized form of rationality is best exemplified by computers, and not people. However, scholars may productively appeal to the idealization as a point of reference." [Wikipedia]

    Are you a psychopath, Marquis?

    What? I thought you enjoyed verbose romance novelists, e.g. Ayn Rand, Tiassa, etc.

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    Where do you think the answer lies? Is it the internal vs. the external, your self-interest vs. others? Even selfishness is codependent. Self-love is even a chemical reaction, right? Rand and her lotus eaters, hah, that’s why I asked you if objectivists overestimated their independence from society? The internal and external are always interdependent.

    Is love a reflection? Hmm…I don’t know. We do seem to seek ourselves in others, do we not?

    "We're born alone, we live alone, and we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone."—Orson Welles

    Perhaps that's the nitty-gritty; love allows us to escape ourselves.

    Well, you certainly can't escape by standing on the ledge gazing into the abyss, that’s for sure. You don't exist there.

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    Chemical reactions are real. However, love is fed by potentialities through our imagination. Maybe that's where the illusions lie.

    But here's the kicker…the "self" that, too… is an illusion.

    Ha-ha… funny, huh? :bugeye:
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ants and other hive insects communicate on a chemical level. Even a brainless slime mold exhibits a pseudo intelligence by leaving chemical trails.. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brainless-slime-molds/


    IMO, without some form of cognition there would be no human civilization. In addition to chemical (odor) and other physical signals most of our actions are based on the mirror neural network which allows us to experience empathy and understanding of morality.

    Why can a poem (strings of words) create an emotional response and why does a psychopath not show social skills? When we look at others we are looking at ourselves. Why do we respond emotionally to someone else's tragedy?
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0893608006000268

    IMO, this is why smileys and emoticons are so effective.
     
  15. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Ya, I can’t remember for sure, but I think it was Ramachandran that suggested the body is the only thing that prevents us from actually feeling other people’s pain. That mirror neurons are necessary for learning and mimicking, but also a prerequisite to self-reflection. That self-reflection was a byproduct from this. I'm not too sure but it is interesting.

    Hey, thanks for the tip on the pottery wheel, BTW. I would have never figured that out.

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    Always wanted to have a potters wheel. To take a lump of clay and shape it into a utensil or a work of art appeals to me. It must be one of the oldest skills of the "toolmakers".

    And this little clip may be of interest regarding the mirror neural system.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zfgFfC5kOs&list=PL20167D4F8FFB717E
     
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    You remind me of my cat
    Because my cat was bred
    And bread was dough
    And a doe is a deer
    And you are dear to me.
     
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    You are what you are
    Stars flow around the center
    I am what I am
     
  20. Anew Life isn't a question. Banned

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    Sprite

    gratitude
    is like autumn leaves that disperse
    from the being of tree
    in rite
    at severance the
    gratitude for being
    is a mutual will
    of thanks
    that feeds cosmic love & trust.
     
  21. Anew Life isn't a question. Banned

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    Here Here

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    Politics are yet distinct of humaneity.
    As humaneity is distinct from politics in the idea of family.
    Hurtred exists for beings whom dictate their lives through religion of one another
    religion itself as if sects where political.
    Sects of religion are cultural fields.
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    A field and I what a joy to see cosmic love of the religion of the cosmos at play
    making flowers for sight,
    I like the truth of existence
    an earthling
    I suppose words
    for I am sort of a sunflower
    with good seeds of words
    and shell
    for paper
    a cosmos flower child
    of tithonia tithonia will
    and lavender
    breeds my sage intelligence
    of forget me not words
    I needn't be shy of myself
    for I am free
    a being
    secrate
    in the word
    humaneity.
     
  22. Anew Life isn't a question. Banned

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    I Don't Know

    Dear Life
    it grieves me from time to time.

    How many have fallen ill or died
    because of negative language

    Especially the warnings of risk of health on pharmaceutical commercials since the 1990's...
    dear trust,
    it makes me so sad
    when I think of the beautiful
    that became
    numb to life starting in those years

    real life

    simplicity of let's say the greater health our country had around about and afore 1969

    I don't know.

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  23. Anew Life isn't a question. Banned

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    (just writing ? behaviorist poetry)


    ?Freedom exists in a schoolbook

    Adequacy is relative to action.
    I know
    idea is directly related to will
    and that
    mirror mixed with electronic light and idea change view of soluble matter beyond a peek



    hmmm rite and adequacy
    and spirit grease of a sought passed on (dead) domestic pet or eaten eyed food that interest
    mergeing with a body
    could it be childhood cancer

    a child with parents that are fascinated by creature comfort's in a superficial way
    yet lacking in adequate time and attention relative to good times of free play..


    A child spending too much time in the house
    is often somewhat lonely
    and
    'lo thinks children are born responsive and thoughtful yet need care and friendship, scholarship interest and freeplay

    O' what lack in esoteric thought is this
    concerning eyed food or death of a domestic pet
    the child seeks
    and the spirit grease responds to the calling
    that a somewhat advanced lonely child merges with
    and ends up unwell

    because perhaps the parents neglect
    for different reasons

    writing writing

    abacus slider to clean the theme - ha.. reincarnation & incarnation are a freedom of choice field of nonattachment hmmm

    and a book titled good times
    chase away cancer
     

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