A Model for the Propagation of Visible Light and Other Rays

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by yaldonTheory, Nov 8, 2016.

  1. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    The Yaldon Theory was developed in order to present a model in physics that will explain the phenomena which we are surround by. This chapter of the Yaldon Theory will focus on the phenomena which are related to visible light, as well as the propagated rays beyond and below that narrow band of visible light.

    Provided will be the entire work for the propagation of visible light as well as other rays beyond and below that narrow band. Included will be formulas, diagrams, and discussions using the Second Law of Newton to show how yaldons are responsible for these rays.

    The types of phenomena addressed in this work are:
    -light's property as both a particle and a wave
    -the white-light effect produced from heating metals
    -light's red-shift from the far stars
    -the change in the speed of light through dense transparent materials
    -the effect of light passing through low dense and high dense gasses
    -light maintaining its speed when given an initial velocity

    If you like to learn more about the yaldon, visit www.yaldontheory.com
     
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  3. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting, and a topic along the lines of some of my recent thinking. I have to give it a read.
     
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  5. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    Thank you for your response, and for taking the time to read about the yaldon particle.
    We value and appreciate your comments!
     
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  7. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    I'm going to try to understand the yaldon, and have just started into the paper. From your description on page 2, they seem to be solid little things, inelastic and tiny. Are they "solid"?

    A solid particle, in my thinking, wouldn't have any internal inconsistencies; it would be consistently isotropic and infinitely dense, wouldn't it. Do I misunderstand their composition, and can you set me on the right track?
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I thought you were spamming, one post and a link.

    Don't you think it would be nice if you could explain it a little here.

    Alex
     
  9. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    Our apologies, there was a type-error on page 2. The yaldon is perfectly elastic, it loses no kinetic energy per each collision.

    The density of a single yaldon is found by dividing the mass of a yaldon by the volume one yaldon occupies. This should result in a certain (finite) value for the density of a single yaldon.
     
  10. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    If there is any aspect of the yaldon theory you would like to have clarified, please feel free to ask us and we will do our best to help
     
  11. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Could you explain light's property as both a particle and a wave?
     
  12. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    You're welcome for the proof reading

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    . That makes a big difference. I'll pick up there and come back with a few more questions then.
     
  13. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Eight or ten pages in now and I have a comment on the side. Your yaldon comes close to corresponding to the action one might expect if the atomic particles were emitting actual energy waves, instead of yaldon particles. A yaldon would correspond to a point where two energy waves intersect and momentarily overlap, producing temporary high energy density "spots" (yaldons). Those spots would move as the two spherical waves pass through each other, and their motion would be curved paths surrounding and extending out from the particles producing the waves. You would see a swarm of yaldons as the surrounding waves are continually converging.

    Back to your reality, I like it so far, & will read on.
     
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  14. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    I made it through on a first pass basis, and I can appreciate the work.

    Like Alex suggested earlier, if you were to post the work in the thread, maybe it would solve a couple of issues: 1) People on a smart phone will find it hard to read at your link, and also 2) The PDF fromat doesn't allow cut and past, so quoting from your PDF to enable discussion on this thread isn't available.

    Regardless, it is an interesting idea. My problem is that I have wave-particle duality already imbedded in my brain, and it is hard to change the waves to yaldons. Also, my own conclusion is that all space is filled with wave energy coming and going in all directions, and you see yaldons coming and going in all directions.

    So I would ask, where I posite that particles are composed of wave energy in the form of complex standing wave patterns with inflowing and out flowing wave energy components, would you say particles are composed of yaldons?
     
  15. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    According to our assumption the yaldon particle has a mass, and they move together in groups when they are propagated from matter. This gives the propagated group of yaldons the properties of a particle, since it is a moving mass (momentum).

    The wave-like property is due to the uniform displacement between a series of consecutive propagated groups of yaldons. This uniform displacement will give the propagated groups a wavelength. This type of wave is different from longitudinal, transverse, or surface waves since those waves requires a medium to travel through, and the molecules of that medium do not travel with those waves. This type of propagated ray (wave) does not require a medium to travel through, since the propagated groups of yaldons are moving through space with a periodic displacement without requiring the existence of a medium. Then the propagated groups of yaldons could be considered as a fourth kind of wave.

    A diagram representing this model could be seen on page 5. Also , one could refer to equation 5, on the same page, for more clarification.
     
  16. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    Currently, we are unaware of how to post the .pdf file in the thread. The best we can do, as of now, is provide a direct link to the .pdf document.

    Here is the direct link to the .pdf file for the yaldon theory:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-vl7kjDEZ8Hcl9BQUdGVzEwTTg/view?usp=sharing

    When the propagated groups of yaldons are moving, they will have energy which is proportional to the momentum from the moving groups of yaldons. Please refer to page 12 equation 'a' and page 13 equation 'b' for the energy produced from these propagated rays.

    A single yaldon is a sub-atomic particle (very tiny speck), and it is defined as a yaldon in order to distinguish it from other sub-atomic particles that are from other theories, since its properties are different (perfectly elastic, no spin, no charge, no force fields of any kind surrounding it).

    We expect that it will be difficult for physicists to remove the models of the theories which are already embedded in their brains.
    We appreciate the effort that you are making to try and envision this model. Thank you for taking interest in the yaldon particle. We hope to have clarified things for you, please let us know of any other questions or comments you may have.
     
  17. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    I can see where it is hard to post the .pdf file, and it is 30 pages after all, so posting it all may not be the answer. There is a voice to text app on my iPad, so I could use that, read in the part I want to refer to, and we could discuss. But my chief interest is to dig into how you envision various aspects of physics that are closely related, like particles themselves. Do you view them as having some internal composition? Are they point particles? Do you use the standard particle model? Give me a little discussion on that topic.
     
  18. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    No. These yaldons have no other parts to them. It is one solid object with a mass and a radius.

    No. They have a mass, a radius, and a finite density.

    No. All that is needed is an object in order to apply the laws of Newton on that particular object.

    We hope these answers have given you more insight on our views for different aspects of Physics. Please let us know if you have any other questions.
     
  19. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    The work is clever, and imaginative. I wish it was based on a little more than just a good story of how the science could work if there was such a thing as a yaldon, but that is coming from someone who names his model of the universe, The Infinite Spongy Universe. Though interestingly enough, the word that comes to mind to describe the yaldon is "spongy", lol.
     
  20. yaldonTheory Registered Member

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    This theory is intended to solve the conflict from existing theories. For example with the Big Bang, there are stars that are older than the moment when the Big Bang occurred.

    The Yaldon Theory shows no expansion in the universe. Equation number 7 on page 16 shows how the light, which travels from the far galaxies, is losing its momentum (Red-Shift) due to the existence of yaldons in empty space. The same equation will show that there is a limit as to how much of the universe can be seen, and why the observer appears to be at the center of the universe.

    The Yaldon Theory cannot coincide with the Big Bang, which is derived from an expanding universe. The Infinite Spongy Universe adopts a model of an expanding universe, and the Yaldon Theory provides a formula showing that the universe is not expanding.

    Overall, the math is considered a skeleton to the body of a theory. A theory without math would make for a sloppy body.
    We continue to thank you for your effort to read and understand the Yaldon Theory.
     
  21. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Your 'theory' (which is really just an unevidenced conjecture), solves a problem that doesn't exist? Yikes now that is a problem! Science does not teach that there are stars older than the universe.

    Your conjecture claims the opposite of what is actually observed? That is a rather glaring problem!

    This is just another silly example of someone making up an illogical and unevidenced conjecture based on a lack of knowledge and ability in physics.

    I will leave to corespond with the other individuals who also like to pretend that they are doing physics.

    Have fun!
     
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  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly it may be worthwhile for you to look into what scientist mean when they use the word theory.

    What I have seen and that is not much I would be using the word idea rather than theory.

    Check it out.

    Secondly how do you explain away the observations that the universe is expanding.

    Thirdly what authority can you cite in support of your statement that there are stars older than the universe.

    I have no physics or cosmology qualifications but I think you need to address the points I covered.

    Its great fun but you need to stick to the rules as best you can.

    Alex
     
  23. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Granted, there are current theories that are in conflict, especially General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. The hoped for solution is that a quantum gravity theory will gain acceptance. But when the only conflict you mention is there are stars older than the Big Bang, I too would like to know what evidence you are going on.
    That reminds me of the "Tired Light" theory that has been used to explain away the red shift, and I suppose that yaldons could be the explanation. Do yaldons also explain the blue shift observed when galaxies are thought to be moving toward us?

    Also, there is some attention given to the fact that the CMBR is observed in all directions, and has an average temperature of about 2.7K. If there was no big bang in Yaldon Theory, what is the source of the CMB?
    It would be fine with me if the universe wasn't expanding, but history has not been kind to the tired light theory, which seems to be the same as yaldon theory in respect to the red shift. The presence of both red shift and blue shift tend to support the recession of the distant galaxies.

    One clarification about the ISU. It isn't an expanding universe model. In the ISU, the greater universe is infinite and filled with big bang arenas. Therefore, the overall universe isn't expanding, but you are right, individual big bang arenas expand until their expansion is interrupted by encountering other galaxy filled big bang arenas, and then you get the formation of crunches that lead to new big bangs. It is a perpetual entropy defeating process called big bang arena action.
    I appreciate that perspective.
     

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