Apathetic perhaps, until there is a call to arms by the NRA when one of the amendments "appears" to be threatened. The reality is that it is only needed a perception of threat and bingo you have a revolt. Such a sensitive issue this apparently is. I am unconvinced that iceaura is the radical you imply. From what I have read his mantra is "the political reality", removing political idealism so as to actually achieve some real progress. Perhaps I will be proven mistaken... perhaps not. The issue facing you guys can be expressed as : claim: "Any threat to the 2nd amendment will fail" because it inspires enormous fear (paranoia) of potentially oppressive future governance. Strategically, therefore, threatening the constitution is doomed to failure. Placing any regulation on Guns can be seen as an action leading to the potential of oppressive future governance. Therefore it invokes the 2nd. and a subsequent and consequential call to protect it. This appears to me, as an outsider, to be the political reality. One that needs to be accommodated first before any progress will be made constitutionally. Does iceaura agree? I don't know. We are left with the conundrum of responsibility for the shooting in Florida ( 17 deaths ) All parties carry a degree of responsibility and not just the shooter. Even sending your kids to a school in the USA knowing the potential, garners a certain responsibility for the subsequent possible death of that child. Expecting a safe environment when this is and has never actually been the case is irresponsible. A state of self delusion and buck passing. A possible solution is that the ones that are preventing change needed to be made responsible for the outcomes of that prevention and I would suggest that the NRA be lobbied to find a solution to a gun crisis that is in the main due to their reluctance to allow reasonable controls on the sale and ownership of firearms. Let the NRA invoke the 2nd Amendment, due to their own pursuit in finding a solution as to why their own children (those of the NRA) are facing potential death every time they go to school generates. Let them deal with the obvious ramifications and human cost of their blind devotion to an amendment that is based on paranoia to start with. Alternatively ...send all the kids to Australia for their educations...Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ultimately Cheaper and less life threatening. No guns allowed.