A Common Pattern: Obscessive Compusive Rational Thinking

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  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Let's analize a common Psychological disorder that we have in our modern Society: The Obscessive Compulsive Rational Thinking Pattern.

    The Obscessive Compulsive Rational Thinking Pattern

    We live in an Universe where most of it is unknown to us. We try to explain it rationally, but even our vocabulary is limited to our knowledge, as when we discover something "new", we have to name it and make it rationally discussable.

    What our society nowdays is creating is people that can't let go ideas, as they base their entire life in their rational beliefs. When a Theory falls and other come we can see a huge makority of people against it and a little group of people in favor. That's because most of people are used and familiar with the old ideas.

    That's the pattern of the scared child. It's a pattern of behaviour created by our need of a solid base to our reality. We nurture this base and defend it against other people, other beliefs. This reality is completly necessary to give a sense of comfort and peace of mind and spirit.

    When you show to someone who has this pattern a new idea, they attack you in order to defend their reality. For if they lose it, they lose their peace, their comfort. The way they do this is our modern society is by Obscessive Compulsive Rational Thinking. That's because in this way they can always "see what's around". They have a base that they can easily experience to their beliefs. That's the base of reason and rational thinking: Immediate proof.

    Then, they get scared to explore the unknow. They don't give up on their ideas, as they are really comfortable with it.

    We can see this pattern everywhere. People nowdays need to see to believe because they are afraid of being harmed. Where does this fear come from? It possibly comes from other patterns generated long time ago in their families and passed to each other. Another possibility is that it comes from our consumist society, where material things are more important. It's a very common pattern in our society.

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    Nelson
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Alert! Irrational, muddy thinking epidemic!

    Let's analyse a common mode of thinking common to pseudoscientists, new agers, hippy UFO freaks and charlatans the world over: irrational, muddy thinking.

    The "Hope Springs Eternal" irrational, muddy thinking pattern:

    We live in a universe which is big and scary. A lot of stuff we don't know, and are only just starting to get a handle on thanks to a wonderful mode of thinking called the scientific method.

    Our modern society contains people that have bravely dispensed with the superstitious beliefs of the past and embraced the scientific method as perhaps the only reliable method for gaining real knowledge. On the other hand, there are those who are afraid to look at reality. Instead, they prefer to live in a fantasy land, usually with themselves as the most important feature. They think humans are different from animals - special. They think (some) humans have mystical powers, or a direct line to God. It makes them feel important. It absolves them from taking responsibility for their own actions. It is a comfort to believe that there is nothing out there truly bigger than oneself.

    Unfortunately, that is a delusion. It's the pattern of the scared child. It's a pattern of behaviour created by the human need to feel special and be loved. Thus, beliefs are defended even when repeatedly shown to have no rational basis. They are necessary (for these people) to give a sense of comfort and peace of mind.

    When you show to someone who has this pattern a new idea, they attack you in order to defend their reality. For if they lose it, they lose their peace, their comfort. The way they do this in our modern society is by clinging to irrationality like a sailor cluching at the last beam of a sinking ship. They have a base that they can easily experience to their beliefs. The base is: Immediate absolute knowledge - you just know the truth from within - because you're convinced you're special.

    These people are scared to face reality. They don't give up on their ideas, as they are really comfortable with them.

    Unfortunately, we can see this pattern everywhere. People nowdays (as always) want to believe because they are afraid of being harmed. Where does this fear come from? It possibly comes from other patterns generated long time ago in their families and passed to each other as superstitions usually are.

    The solution to this is education. We must educate our children to think critically and rationally about all ideas. They should demand evidence before an idea is accepted as fact. They should be taught to be wary of things which we as humans would so like to be true but which may not be.
     
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  5. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Ah, I looove the smell of flame-bait in the morning!

    Nelson, I'm dissapointed. Are your beliefs really that weak that you need to resort to ad hominem and posting flame-bait? Come on, boy, you can do better.

    I dare you to read this:

    http://www.lysator.liu.se/~rasmus/skepticism/skeptic.html

    Do you think you can subject your beliefs to these criteria? I know you can, it is simply a matter of being willing to take the chance that your ideas are wrong.

    Who is scared, Nelson?

    Sushi!,
    Xev
     
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  7. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Um....Nelson......

    you just described religion.
     
  8. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Tyler:

    Er, except for the 'rational' part, yeah.
     
  9. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Posted by James R:
    This would ultimatly result in the destruction of humanity...

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    Xev,

    Do you think I'm scared...?

    ...hehehe!!!

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    Tyler,

    No. I described what happen in a society that worship the brain instead of the Heart...

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  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Dare I ask why, Truthseeker?
     
  11. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    James R,

    Excess ultimatly causes destruction...

    Love,
    Nelson
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Excess ultimatly causes destruction...

    What does excess have to do with education? That said, why are you in school?
     
  13. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Welcome to the club of obsessive-compulsive rationalists, Q.

    There's brandy, vodka, rum and tequila in the cupbord and daquiri mix in the blender. Hope you brought swim trunks, but please no cannonballs into the pool when the Playboy bunnies are frolicking. We'll be sacrificing a virgin* in Dr.Sagan's honor about midnight...

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    *One we caught talking on their cell-phone while driving an SUV, so it's not like it's unethical.
     
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  14. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Oh God...

    I was talking about RATIONALISM!!!!!! :bugeye:

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  15. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Swim trunks and frolicking Playboy bunnies should never be used in the same sentence.

    Make mine a scotch.
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    OK, what does rationalism have to do with excess?

    Why are you in school? This question is mandatory.
     
  17. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    *Hands the Q a scotch*

    Nelson, what are you doing here?! You are not a rationalist!

    And stay away from the Bunnies! Shoo! Shoo!

    *Wanders off to make a daquiri and hit on other obsessive-compulsive rationalists*
     
  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    *Hands the Q a scotch*

    Sooooooo Xev, what's a nice place like this doing to a girl like you?
     
  19. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Utterly corrupting my sweet, innocent nature. And helping me relax before finals.
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Utterly corrupting my sweet, innocent nature.

    Ahhhhh, a girl after my own heart.

    btw - are you one of the bunnys?
     
  21. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    (Q),

    Why...? It seems interesting...

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    Rationalism can create excessive thinking detroying the peace of mind and ultimatly making someone go mad... :bugeye:


    For rationalists... thirsty for some EVIDENCE...

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    Nelson
     
  22. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Rationalism can create excessive thinking detroying the peace of mind and ultimatly making someone go mad...

    I suppose thinking could look like a daunting task to those not familiar. Going "mad" is simply a state of mind for the rational that take the irrational too seriously.

    Why are you in school? Stop avoiding the question.

    For rationalists... thirsty for some EVIDENCE

    Yes, thank you, we've all seen your new thread. Bravo !

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    Which, by the way, contradicts your other thread where stated you weren't going to post more threads because you couldn't keep up and only had one hour of posting per day. Really pathetic. Your insatiable need for negative attention grows by the minute.... hour.... day.... ???
     
  23. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Q: Sadly, tragically, no. Xev looks rather like 'Velma' from 'Scooby-Doo'.

    This does not stop her from shedding the sweater for the evening to cavort about in a cocktail dress.

    Nelson:
    Oh dear, will rationalism give us hairy palms too?

    How can thinking be excessive?
     

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