A Big Slice Of Pi

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  1. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    So the only question now is, “why?”

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  3. RMC Registered Senior Member

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    "Such an extremely precise calculation of the figure isn't necessary for any practical scientific use, but researchers say it contributes to improving scientific calculation methods."


    http://www.newsday.com/sns-othernews-pi.story
     
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  5. Merlijn curious cat Registered Senior Member

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    the why-question often pops into my mind when I hear of records recognized by Guiness.

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  7. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    Because everyone wants his slice of the pie

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  8. disposable88 My real name is Rick Registered Senior Member

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    Speaking of Pi, is there a ratio between two integers that is more accurate than 22/7 to describe Pi?
     
  9. chroot Crackpot killer Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, an infinite number of them.

    - Warren
     
  10. Slacker47 Paint it Black Registered Senior Member

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    Has anyone heard about the new super computer in Japan that will be tracking weather worldwide? Finally someone uses technology for a greater good.
     
  11. Redrover Registered Senior Member

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    How can they get the length of the diameter and the radius of a circle with enought precision to calculate pi to a trillion places?
     
  12. chroot Crackpot killer Registered Senior Member

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    The naive approach is to approximate the circle as a regular polygon with n sides. The larger n is, the more precise the answer you get. In the limit of n -> infinity, you get pi.

    You just need to use large enough n to get the precision you desire.

    There are lots and lots of less-naive ways to calculate digits of pi: just go to google.com and type in "pi algorithm."

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  13. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    We have a rather monstrous computer in Australia doing that too. There must be others.

    http://www.top500.org/
     
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    aaarrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! *runs away screaming*
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    One example of a more accurate approximation to pi is 355/113.
     
  16. Crisp Gone 4ever Registered Senior Member

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    Hi disposable88,

    If you take any number of digits of Pi and divide it by the proper number, you get an approximation...

    Eg:

    3.14 -> 314/100
    3.141592 -> 3141592/1000000

    Just pick any of the trillion possibilities we have now

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  17. RMC Registered Senior Member

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    355/113 is the most accurate using only three digit integers.
     
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  19. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    <i>"The naive approach is to approximate the circle as a regular polygon with n sides. The larger n is, the more precise the answer you get. In the limit of n -> infinity, you get pi.

    You just need to use large enough n to get the precision you desire."</i>

    Chroot,

    How do you call this approach Naive?.its a nice approach to work things out.isnt it?

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  20. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    <i>"So the only question now is, “why?” </i>

    May be they think that PI might turn out to be a terminating sequence or a repeating one?
    Is that possible?

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  21. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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  22. chroot Crackpot killer Registered Senior Member

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    It is naive in the sense that there exist more efficient algorithms that can calculate more digits with fewer operations. These more efficient algorithms make use of various mathematical "tricks."

    In the same sense, the insertion sort is a naive approach to sorting -- quicksort and heapsort are more complicated, yet more efficient algorithms.

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  23. HallsofIvy Registered Senior Member

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    Zion Wrote:
    "May be they think that PI might turn out to be a terminating sequence or a repeating one?
    Is that possible? "

    No, that is not possible. It is proven (in most college algebra classes) that only rational numbers are either terminating or
    repeating decimals. And it is a relatively straightforward proof (although using calculus) that pi is not a rational number.

    And in reference to the earlier post about
    "How can they get the length of the diameter and the radius of a circle with enought precision to calculate pi to a trillion places? " (which may have been a joke- sometimes it's hard to tell!),
    they don't, of course, actually measure lengths- I don't know how you you would get a computer to do that- they use a variety of formulas for pi.

    Archimedes was able to develop formulas for lengths of polynomials and used them to determine that pi must be between 22/7 and 220/71.
     

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