I refute that claim that there is a discussion in this thread. There are people who wanted to discuss the matter at hand and then there is you who sees this forum as a means of publication of your own agenda. Your position has been refuted several times over on the very first pages of this thread and still you go on. Clearly your position that there is a dicussion at hand here is a false one. I present you a case of 100% heterosexuality. The fruitfly. That is until you mutate a certain gene. And then the fruitfly turns into a 100% homosexual. http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm Clearly you couldn't have missed this evidence that suggest that heterosexuality is normal and homosexuality is an abomination of nature? Now what about humans? Cearly you cannot deny that you have urges that you cannot explain away. You try to explain them away by telling yourself that they are normal. In fact, it seems you are merely part of human diversity in which a small subset of the population is affected by genetic gayness. It's not your fault of course, but is it really fruitful for the fruitfly population to have a 95% gay community? No, they would perish. Is it really fruitful for 95% of the human population to be gay? No, the population would perish. It seems like you dismiss all the evidence that kills your personal theory and clamp on to straws that make your world seem sensible. So far you have: 1. not been able to present any factual evidence that 95% of the men have a sexual need for other men. 2. not been able to have a discussion on the matter. hence this is a fruitless thread.