Fallen Angel: "Why is spain not retaliating? uhm, perhaps because they do not have the means." Bullshit. Spain could retaliate forcefully enough to kill hundreds of thousands of people. Spain is not retaliating, because they are acting lawfully. And successfully. The United States has nothing to retaliate militarily for, had nothing to retaliate for, when Iraq was invaded. No foreign state had attacked us, and completion of the mission in Afghanistan in response to 9-11 was and remains incomplete. The US acted in direct contravention of the most basic norms of international law when Iraq was invaded. There will be block-busting repercussions, not only from losing partnerships abroad, but from a scattering and multiplying of terrorists that is a direct result of our extremely clumsy over-kill and exploitation of the circumstances of domestic and world opinion surrounding the crimes on 9-11. "are our methods looking at consequences down the road? probably not. but it's working isn't it? No, it is clearly not working. "... and that keeps you safe. No, it does not. "i know, long term we might be f*#$ed. But with a 4 year memory and outlook, what better plan than to treat the symptoms?" Well done: You have burst your entire ridiculous argument all by yourself, and also offered a constructive suggestion. Americans can and must remember much more than 4 years of their own history, if we are to persist as a great nation.