5th Dimension

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by prash555_in, Aug 12, 2004.

  1. Jolonar Being of intellect. Registered Senior Member

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    It makes sense.

    My life is not my infinity! Time is. Life is limited, but your spirit lives on past the end of your death! That perspective is not beyond comprehension. Anyhow, it does not seem "compactificated" from higer dimensions.

    You're right, it was entertaining!

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    And I do!

    Kewl!

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  3. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    LOL. I know what a hypercane is!

    Did I say any of the above?!
     
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  5. G71 AI Coder Registered Senior Member

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    You are funny.. Edgar could learn from a book just by sleeping on it (he didn't even need to open it) – that’s how he discovered some of his special abilities. He, a man with very basic level of education, could answer nearly any question asked, often demonstrating an amazing level of knowledge. Lots of the knowledge was impossible to find in books at the time. Typically, a question was asked, then he fell into some sort of sleep mode (that's why he is known as a “sleeping prophet”) and then (while "sleeping") he was answering the questions (sometimes very complex questions). When he woke up, he didn't remember a thing. When later reading his own answers, he sometimes did not understand the words he has used. In some cases (when sleeping), he was fluently talking in a foreign language which he never studied (confirmed by friends and relatives) – but that foreign language had something to do with the type of question (in other words, it made sense to speak in that language). He saved MANY lives, describing very unique medical treatments. Some of them were considered totally crazy by medical authorities at the time, however, many patients had already nothing to lose (because doctors did not give them any hope) so they tried what Edgar described and it cured them. Experts later found that it actually makes sense and new medications were developed based on the details Edgar provided. A bunch of current healthcare products are based on Edgar's, so called, "readings". There are roughly 15000 of recorded and well organized readings. Edgar Cayce is the most documented psychic of all times. He worked with specialist in controlled environments for many years and he was willing to work with experts who just came to prove that he is a fake. Unlike nearly all the others, Edgar just had no problem to demonstrate his totally amazing abilities. Lots of people were coming to see him and get some help in their desperate situation. Edgar was able to predict who is coming, what exactly his/her problems are and the solution. He was predicting events, finding missing things and people + doing many other hard-to-believe things. I think it's nearly impossible that this was just a big hoax. He died just a few decades ago. And of course he exactly predicted his own death. He might have been the most amazing man of this millennium. There are hundreds of books about him. The question is how he could possibly know all the answers. How can a human brain do such a thing? He was reportedly in touch with an information source which was simply answering the questions for him. But where is that source? Who/what is it? How the connection to that source really works? That communication likely worked through some sort of extra dimension. His readings are still being heavily analyzed by many specialists and you can find many things about Edgar Cayce in the Virginia Beach, VA. I’m going there in a few months to study some details. A lot can be found on the Internet.
     
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  7. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    Lmao. No you didn't, but i felt like explaining anyways.

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  8. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I've seen string theory presented in 10 and 11 dimensions. Both have very
    interesting backing. Anyhow, I did want to correct ya' on the time thing.
    Time is in fact a real dimension (#4). Think of it as interwoven with the
    first 3 (length, width, depth) and being the facilitator of moving around in
    them. If you are up for some really weird thought however, I saw it
    hypothesized that space-time is simply one big static jumble. All possible
    states of space-time exist at once and you are perceiving the transition
    through a path of these states. The perception is an illusion though as
    your brain is part of these states and a bazillion 'yous' are experiencing
    an exact moment simultaneoulsy.
     
  9. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The '5th' dimension may actually be gravity.
     
  10. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    Well, that messes me all up because of the whole "can't travel in the negative direction" thing. I can't get on board there without some good argument (a link or few would suffice) as to why it's a dimension rather than "this weird mostly dimension thing that only goes one way and has a rate that's constant to a reference frame".

    I do already!

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    I thought you might be able to tell given the graphic.

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    Taking it to the hypothesis I do is just extrapolation to me. It seems to me that looking at it my way sets the arrow and rate of time.

    Yeah I'm down with that. I read sciam.

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    I dont' think of it that way, but I'm not sure that isn't perfectly analagous with other ways of thinking. When considering "static" but yet including time in that, it seems like a semantic argument, almost as if you're imagining what it would look like from a higher dimension if you follow.
     
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  12. Blue_UK Drifting Mind Valued Senior Member

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    Fu........ Uh........ King........ Hell........

    I can't believe people are actually trying to talk about this sort of thing.

    Bloody 'Astro Planes', 'Parallel Dimentions', there's about a much sense here as 'Transient tacyon pulse modulation - "she canne take much moo-er power, cap'an" bulshite.

    The difference between me and a lot of ranters is that I know that I'm insane, I know whats remotely plausable and I know the limits of my knowledge.

    How many people here actually have higher education in physics?

    (I'm not viscously attacking everyone, for example I acknowledge that string theory exists, I am just making my objection to the rest).
     
  13. G71 AI Coder Registered Senior Member

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    It's good to read what skeptics have to say (they sometimes do have good points), however, if you want to get a good overall picture, you also need to read what the other side has to say. For that purpose (in this case), I recommend to read the "Edgar Cayce: An American Prophet" book, written by Sidney R. Kirkpatrick. When someone is publicly active for decades and everything gets recorded then you can always create a little web page, putting together things which make him look exactly as you want him to look. The true skeptics and the true believers are often masters of the art. When it's more complex than a simple Yes/No thing then the reality is typically somewhere between, which would be extraordinary enough in Mr. Cayce's case.
     
  14. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Without time, travel in any 'direction' is not possible. If time is extracted
    from dimensions 1-3 then I am sure it is mathmatically traversable. When
    interwoven with dimensions 1-3, it behaves in combined manner (what
    we have today). Perhaps thinking in terms of directional traversal can be
    substituted with thinking in terms of reaction. 4 chemicals may behave
    vastly differently when combined as compared to when they are by
    themselves.
     
  15. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It's 'Astral' plane... 'Astro' is that dog from the Jetsons. lol. It's just fantasy
    (probably from Dungeons and Dragons) that people use to describe a real
    event called lucid dreaming. Why it's posted on the physics forum... well
    when someone 'believes' in something strong enough it becomes an automatic
    fact in that persons mind and I think we're seeing some false facts here.
    The concept of parallel dimension is not to hard to grasp though. Take lengh
    and width. Rather than intertwine them, put them side by side and you
    have a parallel dimensions. In case your wondering, I have a higher education
    in physics (although computer science was my major).
     
  16. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    Well, that's not clarification as far as I see it. You just said the same thing again for the most part. I think I understand what you mean pretty clearly. I just don't buy the claim "time is the fourth dimension" when it's not quite that simple IMO, which is also in keeping with that Hawking endorses the idea that the fourth dimension is "imaginary time". For now I'm with him.

    I have higher education in physics too. Engineering and all.
     
  17. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I did say the same thing again... it's nothing more than a paraphrase.
    The idea behind it was that rephrasing the concept may have allowED
    something previously unseen to be seen. Anyhow, if your confident in your
    understanding then maybe it's time to address what appears to be an obvious
    question to me. Why would not being able to "travel in a negative direction"
    matter as far as a dimension is concerned?
     
  18. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    The most simple explanation I can think of is that it has a direction. Dimensions don't have directions, they are degrees of freedom. In this conversation, we're talking about universal spatial dimensions. Relative to your current position you can travel in the following dimensions: x, -x, y, -y, z, -z. t is set and you can't change it (relative to you). Since you can't travel in it, it's not a dimension. It's more like "something you're caught in" rather than a "degree of freedom".

    Time is kind of like a dimension, because you "move through it" so to speak, but it is not a spatial dimension in the sense that x, y and z are. I think this is why they call it "space-time", so as to delineate that time is something slightly different. As I've said, I hypothesize that time is a consequence of our dimensionality rather than a dimension itself.
     
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  19. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I see what you are saying. This is all about moving the contents of a
    dimension relative to a starting point. What if the contents of a dimension
    are moved around by the dimensions themselves. With z, y, z, & t all moving
    things simultaneously the result could be reality no?
     
  20. blobrana Registered Senior Member

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    Hum,
    Where as i would think that < AKA string theory > that there are another 6 compactified dimensions and time being originally a spatial dimension but somehow got `separated` during early supersymmetry breaking to be a distinct/different from our `normal` spatial dimensions.
    All these dimensions would be scalar and the normal `freedoms` we usually see are in the macro x,y,z, are also present in the other compactified dimensions, (eg quantum spin), er, of course.
     
  21. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If time was seperated when symmetry broke, then we would not feel its
    effects (like the other dimensions that kind of collapsed into themselves);
    however, what if time is not interwoven with the first 3 dimensions... what
    if it simply intersects these dimensions (kind of like the the 'graviton' dimenson
    theory)?
     
  22. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    Well sort of. It's really about asking the question "how many degrees of spatial freedom exist in the universe?"

    How is that fundamentally different that stuff moving around inside a dimension? IMO, that's kind of semantics. It's dependent on where you set your reference frame. If you project yourself into "i'm the dimension" so you can imagine it, then I think you'd see it the way you just stated it. IMO, it's generally simpler to think of it as "I'm moving withing this dimension" rather than "the dimension is moving me".

    but that's the whole thing, z, y, x are dependent on t. X and t alone are okay. y and t alone are okay. but either way, y doesn't exist without t, and t is not subject to the same kind of changes that can be done in y. t is set constant in your reference frame - y is not. T is a rate, y is a scale.
     
  23. Blue_UK Drifting Mind Valued Senior Member

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    Cruncho, I can understand what a parallel dimension might be, but I object to the throwing around of randomly generted theories. Many untestable, useless and completely unfounded. No one would disagree that this topic is unfathomably complicated and I wonder if it is out of the reach of humanity entirely.

    I'm sure you can appreciate, if you can forgive the rudeness, the mix of sily questions / clever answer that this forum often provides. Come to think of it I should not be bantering here... sorry.
     

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