41% of Pregnancies End in Abortion in NYC

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by madanthonywayne, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

    Recent data released by the health department show that 41$ of pregnancies in New York City end in abortion. For Blacks, the number is 60%.

    Is this the "safe, legal, and rare" situation everyone claims to want? And what about the racial aspect, 60% of african american babies are aborted. That is a rate nearly 3 times that of whites/asians.
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Could you please supply how many , not percentages, babies were aborted? I'd think that women should be given the injection that lasts 5 years to avoid pregnancy but women do what they want these days. Many women get pregnant just to get the man to marry them but once the man finds out, in many instances, he leaves the woman with the baby to care for and him long gone. So these aborted babies would end up negleted, abused or something else if they were ever born.
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  5. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    Yeah and so what?
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  7. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

    this is borderline racist. who gives a fuck what race the people are and quite frankly who cares that they are aborted.. women have a right.. get rid of the paracite inside them that they do not want or keep it i call it a paracite because thats what it is sounds bad but its an entity that needs a hoste to live which is the definition of a paracite..

    might as well add black and mexican people smoke 1/3 as much weed as white people.. yet there convicion rate is 3x higher

    if you look at this as a whole it almost looks like your saying black people are scum followed by mexicans and asians and white people have the best h3eart of humans these days because they would rather keep a baby they might not beable to take care of instead of doing the responsible thing.. in some cases
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    What are the reasons given for the abortions? I bet if the abortions were divided by cause you'd see a very interesting picture - more in teenagers and in lower socio-eco groups
  9. sifreak21 Valued Senior Member

    and of that 41% your %s of black and hispanic already exceed 100% is that a math fail?
  10. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

    Well the 41% is an overall average of all the races - but there's 20% missing for that to work so presumably there are other categories.
    Anyways, my question is thus:

    Who cares?
  11. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

    . There is an overall abortion rate in NYC of 41%. When you break it down by race you're not talking about what percent of total abortions were a certain race, but rather what percent of pregnancies within each racial group ended in abortion.

    So the number for each race will be between zero and 100 and there is certainly no expectation that the various rates should add up to 100.
    Well, that's the question, isn't it. Most people, even those who support abortion, consider it to be a less than ideal situation. President Clinton said it should be "safe, legal, and rare". President Obama said the exact same thing.

    I don't consider 41% overall, and 60% among blacks to be rare. Too many girls who don't want to be pregnant are getting pregnant. This at a time when we have methods of birth control that are over 99% effective.
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2011
  12. Nasor Valued Senior Member

    I don't think he's the one experiencing a math fail...
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Looks like an income aspect, especially if you notice that "hispanic" isn't a race.

    Another way to look at it is as a religious aspect - the more religious one is, the more likely to get an abortion.

    But the income correlation is the strongest, apparently.
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    I agree with cosmictraveler. Let's have the raw numbers rather than the percentages.
  15. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    Would you support public funding for male birth control pill research?

    I thought not. Don't curse the darkness if you can't be bothered to light a candle.
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    After 2 minutes searching, already the story is showing signs of weakness.

    The numbers were released by the Chiaroscuro Foundation, a not-for-profit supporting alternatives to abortion.

    The rate was based on figures from the city Department of Health, which reported a slightly lower abortion rate, 38.7%. Foundation officials didn’t include miscarriages in their total pregnancy number, resulting in the different rates.​

  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    Here's some raw data from 2006:


    In that year, in NY city, there wee 34721 abortions by white mothers, 40519 by black mothers, 27931 by Hispanics and 5180 by others.

    The ratios of induced abortions per 100 live births were:

    White: 55.9
    Black: 103.9
    Hispanic: 69.7
    Other: 28.4

    These figures, of course, include abortions for all reasons, and not only ones chosen for "lifestyle" reasons. In other words, some of these would have been medically necessary or unavoidable.
  18. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

    And also a time when we have the federal government spending billions every year to ensure that as many adolescents as possible are pointedly not taught about them.
  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    context we only recent got back to the better sex ed under obama. also with out knowing some other facts like the types of sex education in the area as well as the income level the pregencies were happening at it hard to really say what the information means.
  20. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

    Male birth control? Give me a break. I can hear it now, "Don't worry baby, we don't need a rubber, I'm on the pill....."
  21. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    What exactly would be wrong with that? I think it would end many unwanted pregnancies.
  22. Fall Caesar Registered Member

    Is there anything morally wrong with abortion? Sure, there may be something ethically wrong, however, if it is in the self-interest of the would-be mother to abort the child, then what's immoral about abortion?

    What's irrational here is why statistics ought to be broken down by race, and why people care about other people's abortions/pregnancies/babies.
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Cause and Effect, or, What You Want and What You Get

    Nope. As long as people continue to compromise with conservative economic policies, such safety, legality, and rarity is a nearly impossible consideration.

    I would urge you, sir, to one day sit down and take a look at the conservative rhetoric that has for so long demarcated the party you support. The economic- and social-conservative movements are not, over the long run, compatible; and that's putting it gently.

    So unless you want to get off the cutthroat, wealth-consolidation, let's-cry-for-the-rich-while-we-bleed-everyone else economic con job you're pushing, I think you need to stuff the abortion complaint.

    What do you want, Moneybags? Capitalism, or Christian morality? What's more important to you, Madanthonywayne? Your money, or God?

    Stop pretending you can roll around in the one while fulfilling your faith in the other.

    It's dumb-assed, snarky stupidity like the question quoted above that make people not only disdain conservatism itself, but look upon its proponents as liars at best, if not outright psychotics who need heavy medication and a straitjacket.

    Of course "safe, legal, and rare" is a better standard. But that involves more than just passing a law telling us how big a fetus can be before termination, or setting a hard count of days. It also involves educational and economic policies. And conservatives come down on the wrong side of those to achieve their abolitionist desire. To the other, it's only coincidental that such results will accord with other conservative ideas. With crappy schools, no sex education, and generations raised toward serfdom, you're only encouraging a lot more unintended pregnancies—statistically speaking. And, of course, if you get your way and make women into baby factories, that will be a lot more unwanted, undereducated, poor children to grow up into workers to be exploited in your bourgeois utopia. And when the crime rate goes up? Well, that's why you're a Second Amendment advocate—you need to protect yourself from all the poor, baby-making, black and hispanic criminals.

    Psychologically speaking, it's quite the construction—even admirable for its polymer veneer of sublimation.

    But here's the deal: When you advocate policies whose observable statistical results include unintended pregnancies, you're going to see an increase in abortion rates. When you couple that with economic instability among the working classes, you're going to see an increase in the abortion rates. So, look, dude, when someone who advocates policies that happen to increase abortion suddenly turns around and complains about the increased abortion rate, the first words to mind are profane.

    So what do you want? A perpetual game of King of the Hill, in which we're always trying to knock each other off and destroy one another's enterprises, because that's what good, respectable, civilized capitalists do? Or a moralist utopia in which you can put your women back in their place? You don't get both. Perhaps once upon a time, you could have, but we're too far along in the human story for that ending.

    But, actually, we know. You're not willing to choose. You want it all, and expect society to torture itself in order to give it to you.

    But it won't happen.

    So what do you want?

    Capitalism: Consolidation of wealth leads to increased poverty rates, contributing to increased abortion rate.

    Penny-Pinching Schools: By making education a secondary consideration of the schools in order to ensure the rich can buy yet another vacation home, you reduce the efficacy of the school system, with students growing into citizens less capable of making enlightened decisions. This results in a greater number of unwanted pregnancies.

    Racial Solutions: We've discussed race issues in education before, and as I recall, your solution is to do nothing about the problem and let people grow out of it like they haven't for the past how many centuries. By doing so, you perpetuate, even augment, gaps in educational outcomes, with results including higher unplanned pregnancy rates.

    Morality—Public/Private: Conservative opposition to sex and birth control education contributes greatly to the accidental pregnancy rate.

    Wages/Taxes: By maintaining the working classes as a generator for the lifestyles of the rich and famous, you advocate greater consolidation of wealth, leading to incrased poverty, individual and community instability, and, yes, higher pregnancy rates.​

    Stop and think about what you advocate. A higher unplanned pregnancy rate, and thus a higher abortion rate, are part of what happens when you get your way.

    (P.S. — Just as a side note, it seems that you added an apostrophe to your quote. Mostly because it's so extraneous, I'm curious: Why?)
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