Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by madanthonywayne, Jan 19, 2009.
Anyways Swivel, you are just trying to make every one else look good aren't you...flame away...
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Bullshit. They hardly ever torture and kill their victims. You are watching too much TV. By far the most rapes are date-rapes between two people that know each other. And the vast majority of stranger-rape and gang-rapes do as little harm to the victim as possible. It is all about sex, a last-resort method of passing on genetic information.
And your point about procreation is meaningless and displays a gross ignorance of how evolution works. When I have sex with my wife I am not thinking about procreation either. The vast, vast, vast majority of sex acts between humans are conducted with a desire to NOT procreate. Genes don't work on such a complex, conscious level. All evolution had to work on was nerve endings in the penis. Making sex FEEL GOOD was all it took. And this is the reason that most people have sex and THIS is the reason that male humans rape. Because it feels good. That doesn't mean that the express intention of their biology isn't to procreate, this is just the mechanism by which the body, its genes, and millions of years of evolution conspire to bring it about.
Your viewpoint on this is 100% incorrect and unfortunately it is the pervasive one in our society, which leads to women getting hurt every day.
I suppose genocide, suicide, murder suicide, peodophilia, beastality, necrophilia, and weapons of mass destruction are all natural evolutionary requirements and are here to stay yes?
by your reasoning Swivel and your justification we don't need a justice system nor a goverment nor marriage nor a society that is nurturing towards sustainable harmony and growth.
Your POV is so out of step with modern thinking or even old thinking for that matter it is incredible to see it on my monitor.
I suppose the Charter of Human Rights  is inappropriate to you as well not to mention the Constitution of the United states of America and constitions of just about every nation/country in the world.
Boy are you on the outer on this one....
The sanctity of consent thus the freedom of choice is a primary instinct and a serious part of mankinds evolution too. It is this aspect after all that separates us from the lesser animal kingdom....
Freedom is a part of human evolution too ......
How do you reconcile the two obviously opposing notions?
Women are not only meant for reproducing they can and do contribute many things to a society that is the fabric in which it grows.
Stop being nonsensical and read my posts. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it is GOOD. You are confusing two very important points that I make:
1. Man has an evolutionary history that gives him evil tendencies. Hobbes, not Rousseau was correct on this.
2. Civilization and culture are making man progressively better at controlling these urges and tendencies, which is why mankind keeps improving and becoming safer.
I have the cynical pessimism of our origin and the hopeful optimism of our progress.
Looking over what I quoted from you above, I wonder if you are even worth reasoning with. There is no way in the world one could walk away from my posts thinking the bullshit you just spouted. It is a disgustingly abusive misconstruction of my points and stances. I argue, in all things, for humans to be better to one another. What you are arguing is for ignorance to rule our actions, leading to the endangerment of more people.
Steven Pinker, the greatest psychologist alive today agrees with me on this. The only people that agree with you are enraged feminists that have never conducted an experiment in their lives. I have provided good evidence (reproductive age, unwillingness to kill, examples in nature) and you have given nothing in return. Not a SHRED of evidence to support your "rape is dominance" theory. Instead you have shown nothing more than a lack of reading comprehension.
You are doing real harm, QQ. I am ashamed of you.
I think you and S.Pinker need to do a little more thinking on the subject of evolutionary imperitives.
Procreation and even survival are only two of them for sure but by many orders less important to the main one that drives this evolution mankind is undergoing.
Can you guess what that main one is? Can you guess what drives the evolutionary need for all the other imperitives?
What is it that has driven man to make war against each other for time eternal?
What is it that drives man in to mass suicide?
What is it that causes most of the violence and anger in society today?
care to think about it hmmmm......?
Evolution works on the level of the gene, not on the level of the organism. If there is a gene which instructs "If not procreating by normal means, rape", that gene is going to find a niche in the gene pool and probably do quite well. That is what evolution predicts and it is what observation supports.
Your tendency to succumb to the naturalistic fallacy and your lack of understanding of evolution, coupled with your desire to have reality match your politically-correct fantasy are what have you derailed here, friend.
Yeah sure...it is the genes that drove the Vietnam war, WW2 and WW1...it is the genes that drove Hitler command the acts of genocide on so many levels.
Well if it is the Genes then the genes have a higher evolutionary requirement than mere procreation ....
any ways .. you have failed to address my questions and just repeated your failed postion .
Swivel you do need to dig a bit deeper than mere procreation as being the fundamental human evolutionary driver...you really do....
Oh. My. Goodness.
You are completely clueless, aren't you?
I notice you still can't answer my questions and wonder who is really the one who is clueless...
rape for procreation.....my goodness....what a thing to say!
Wow. I have observations that support my hypothesis. It is a perfectly reasonable conclusion based on Natural Selection.
What do you have besides childish rants that demonstrate a complete ignorance of evolutionary theory?
If it wasn't for the danger of you perverting the minds of innocent readers I wouldn't even engage in a debate with someone who shows such a distaste for fact, observation, and evidence.
Is that the best you can do Swivel?
I have much more significant observations other than a few rapes that you deem to be for a procreation evolutionary imperitive...heaps more evidence!
Like : "How much money have you guys spent on the war in Irak?" Type evidence....
"How much did it cost to arm the USA against communist oppression and threat?" type evidence....
so you show me yours and I'll show you mine and I can tell you in this case size does count...ha
I have already supported my claim. Stop asking ridiculous questions and give me EVIDENCE for why I should believe that rape has to do with control, violence, and dominance and is NOT simply a mechanism for forced procreation.
I want some statistics. I want surveys of rapists. I want an explanation for why other animals rape. I want to know why most rape victims are of child-bearing age. I want to know why the few women raped outside of this age are not as traumatized. I want to know why rich and powerful women aren't raped more often, since these are the women that men would want to dominate. I want to know why more violence isn't used in rape. I want to know why rapists come from ALL socioeconomic backgrounds and why ALL human cultures have rapists despite the wild variety between cultures and within them. I want to know why virile men are the most likely to rape.
Evolutionary theory explains ALL of this. Please give me your theory and stop yanking my chain.
What you want to know is why moronic unselfdiscipined, unself restrained and immature men rape....is what you want to know.
Rape for procreation is the most absurd thing I have read on this forum since whats his name reckoned that all men are born homosexual.....as he trolled for company of a salacious kind.
Come to think of it male to male rape in the prison system has a lot to do with procreation doesnt it...
Your positionis undefendable Swivel and you know it.
If the evolutionary theory you subscribe to says what you say it does then it is simply wrong and that is all there is to it.
Using a theory to justify male inadequacies is just not good enough.
There is a higher imperative than survival and procreation. Can you or have you worked it out yet?
QQ, I have given you evidence and have asked for some in return. Instead you keep asking pointless questions. I am done with you. You are on my ignore list. The level of obstinacy and ignorance you have displayed in this thread borders on the ludicrous.
Have fun with everyone else, QQ.
I apologize to all the readers that are subjected to this nonsense and do not have a voice of reason present to counter it. Since QQ is unable to converse back and forth in a meaningful way I do not believe that further engagement would ever have ever made progress.
What a load of hogwash!
Am I supposed to be your teacher in evolutionary theory or something....go and do some research into rape stats and how many rapests confess to wanting their victim to bear children and then come back with this crapolla!
How many abortions are performed because of rape?
I think most readers reading this thread would be amazed at your position so dont apologise on my behalf but may need to on your own'behalf.
Why not start a poll in another thread and invite the reader to respond to your "Rape for procreation" idea.
Because as yet you are the only one I have ever heard of state this to be the case.
Rape as you may fail to notice is about the lack of consent and not much else.. Forcing someone against their will to do something they don't want to do.
How has that got to do with procreation?
There is a higher imperative than survival and procreation for humans. Can you or have you worked it out yet?
Just tell us.. :bugeye:
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