4 Years to Save Earth!

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by madanthonywayne, Jan 19, 2009.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Of course there is distinction between the "fanatic" and those seeking to deal with reality. Attempting to decipher politically motivated use of statistics and those that are genuinely derived is not easy. A task made all the more difficult by those who suffer from paranoia when it comes to dealing with the facts.
    Facts are what they are as seen in the environment.

    A good example of how the world can get it's head out of the sand was shown in the way the West dealt with the HIV [ AID's] crisis and the swift response to the need to change life style habits etc.
    If we listened to some typical paranoid ramblings of "no crisis present" the death toll and social devestation would have been considerably worse than it has been.
    Paranoia manifests in many strange ways and "denial of reality" is one of them.

    The amount of money invested in attempting to change lifstyles regarding the environment transcends mere grabs for money and industry. Observing the trillions and trillions of dollars the population is spending on attempts to change their ways is indication enough that the issue warrants serious investigation and thought and not just paranoid "lunatic fringe" or "enviro cultist" taggings.

    Finding out about what the reality is, is virtually impossible when so many wish to deny that reality.

    An example of an obvious question:

    We know that the globe has gone through a number of cool periods as in ice ages but has it ever gone through a man made hot period as in global warming?

    If not then what experience has history got to teach us about hot periods?


    As far as I can tell this Hot period pending is our first and most likely if we are smart or stupid enough our last.
    • Our last if we are smart because we would have learned not to over heat our environment.
    • Our last if we are stupid because well obviously we wont be around to cause another hot period...
     
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  3. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    This has to be dumbest post ever. YOU are the anthropocentric one. You are singling out humans for a behavior that is common to other animals. I am arguing that we are a part of the animal kingdom. You seem to be arguing that we are a unique mess, perverted by our civilization.

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  5. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    Einstein, first, you argue that humans are superbly "moral" as no other animal, which probably is true since "morality" is a human concept. Now you write "we are a part of the animal kingdom not a unique mess.

    My claim that animals don't rape, generally speaking, has brought your attention. You cited wikipedia and leftist mass raping dolphins (out of zillions of species) as a proof of the humanlike animal perversion

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    . Since obviously you are an urban dweller removed from the land and natural world (or rather its remnants), I relied on my experience to explain that human perceptions (especially anthropocentric ones) are not always reality of animal rape.
     
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  7. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure I want to hear about your "experience" with rape. That is between you and your priest or psychologist. All I can do is beg you to treat women with respect in the future.

    Mallard ducks reproduce via rape. The males chase down the females, grab the back of their head, and shove their face underwater. While the females are struggling to breathe, the male copulates from behind. I used to throw stones at them from my sailboat to try and make them stop. I've also seen geese reproducing in the same manner.

    I don't know why you assume that I live in a city. The fact that I know more about animals comes from me studying more than you. I was raised on a working farm, spent 10 years of my life living on boats, 2 years of that time was spent sailing around the Caribbean where I snorkeled daily. Since then I have lived 2 years in the backwoods of Virginia and I now live in a mountain town in North Carolina. I will probably know more about most things than you no matter where each of us lives.

    You probably think rape is about aggression and violence, don't you? It isn't. It is about reproduction. And DOZENS of other species do it, not several. The Wiki link is meant to be a starting place for your education.
     
  8. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    The sooner humans will understand that the better. So far humans unjustly deify themselves and stuck collective head deep down the collective ass in between self-worships. Planet sized mania of grandeur. That's especially telling since the Planet is on the suicidal course.

    No I don't buy into "mother Earth" and the rest of holistic crap. Earth is not a mother, it's not even a step mother, it's cold, indifferent, piece of rock on the surface of which countless species guided by instinct of survival fight for a place under Sun. "Collective" Earth doesn't give a dime about their pathetic struggles. Survival all that matters in the natural world. To get enough of food, water, space and to procreate. Nothing personal, it's just a survival. That's the ultimate goal of any animal and humans. However, humans don't stop there.
     
  9. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    Keep trying, one day you may write something really funny. Today is not your day.



    I've told you, it's called anthropocentrism and you are full of it. You measure duck's procreation with the same ruler as you would measure a girl being chased into bushes (extremely rarely for the procreation sake). That's ridiculous. Are you sure female ducks mind procreating that much so they need to be "raped" each time? Are you sure they would rather do something creative like music and dance had those nasty male ducks did not "rape" them from behind (would you suggest missionary duck penetration as more liberating)?

    That's sick, man, really sick

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    A hairless monkey teaches ducks how to have sex, LOL. I have a hint for you, they managed just fine for thousands of years without your suggestions and "moral" judgments.

    Would you open classes of "moral" ways of reproduction for geese too:bawl:. Like, dinner, movie, necklace, engagement ring, and no sex before geese marriage, especially the kind of degrading geese sex you observed?

    Unfortunately, one cannot pick up common sense at school.

    I'll leave you with your mania of grandeur alone. Why would I care even if you think that you are English Queen or an incarnation of Newton? I don't.
     
  10. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    You're confusing reality with your perception of it.
     
  11. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    My wife and I were laughing our asses off, and we usually don't agree on what is funny. Maybe your rape "experience" makes it less humorous for you? :shrug:

    There is no difference between why a human male rapes a human female and the way ducks sometimes copulate. It is an instinct which takes over when other reproductive options are not available. The cool thing about humans is that we can develop an awareness of "other" that helps us see this very "natural" option as one which is ethically repugnant.

    We are part of nature, but there are also some things about us which set us apart from the rest of nature. The fact that we put something on the moon and can communicate over the Internet leaves something to be explained. If you take one of the two options: (A) We are hairless apes with nothing special about us or (B) We are god's creation and not of the animal kingdom, you are going to see the world as it isn't.

    The truth is that we are of nature, and have a long genetic and evolutionary legacy, but our culture, language, and technology make us unique in all the animal kingdom. To not see that this mix is true dooms one to an intellectual quagmire.
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Ask you wife as to whether Rape has anything to do with reproduction because it certainly doesn't. It's one of revenge and power or ego and thats about it. A grab for something that is denied. A greedy and cheating way to get what a man wants from a woman who would choose otherwise if allowed to. It is a violation of her rights and an aquisition and theft of her happiness for ones own benefit with out earning it.

    Animals of the lesser kind can not rape! As they lack the ego esteem issues and ability to consent [volition] that humans seem so blighted with.

    I am amazed Swivel at your Drivel....excuse the pun


    rape as a reproductive option..what a load of crap!...never heard of anal rape I guess....nor all the other sexual acts that go with it....however of course we are not talking about sex but really humilliation and degradation and in some cases mutilation.
     
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  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Swivel,
    I look forward to seeing your support for the "rape is a reproductive option"... but I guess as it is unsupportable this is not going to happen is it?
     
  14. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    You've bought into the liberal nonsense about rape. When I see a beautiful woman, I want to fuck her in the same way the male of any other species wants to fuck any available female. The fact that I don't jump on her and forcibly copulate is wholely due to my human understanding that such an act would be wrong. An animal, lacking such an understanding, is free to do what comes naturally, and so is a man who doesn't care about right and wrong or who lets his instincts get the better of him. Calling the exact same behavior something different because it's done by animals rather than humans is illogical.

    As to mating as a reproductive strategy, it's been theorized that sexual dimorphism (men being larger than women) exists specifically to facilitate rape. Furthermore, if rape were not meant to be used as a reproductive strategy, why are men even able to maintain an erection in the face of an unwilling partner?

    An even better example of rape as a reproductive strategy and of rape in the animal kingdom is the scorpion. Male scorpions usually offer female scorpions a "gift", which she accepts and then mates willingly with the male. If the male has no gift, he will sneak up on the female and use clamps and a "notal organ" which is specifically designed for rape! Male scorpions without this notal organ can still engage in consentual sex (that is, give the female a gift and then mate), but they can no longer rape the females. http://books.google.com/books?id=xH...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA63,M1
     
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  15. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Not only is your theory nonsense, it does very real harm to innocent women. As feminists spread this garbage, they put women in danger by not arming them with correct information.

    If you plot the age of rape victims, this graph alone demonstrates that rape is about reproduction. By far the most rape victims are between 16-30 years old.

    If you graph the socioeconomic status of victims it shows something else. Rich and powerful women are very unlikely to be raped, exactly the sort of women that trigger men's compulsion to reassert control.

    Another amazing statistic is that over 95% of rape victims are not physically assaulted any more severely than is required for submission and copulation. Almost no rape victims are killed. Murder/rapes like those we see on CSI are the vast, vast minority, and are the actions of the mentally-disturbed.

    Most rapes occur between acquaintances, usually on dates. The rapists say, in later therapy, that they just couldn't stop themselves. They wanted to have sex very badly, and they knew what they were doing was wrong, but they were too weak to stop. My wife is a psychologist at a major university and has heard these confessions hundreds of times. Not once has a man told her that he just wanted to control or dominate his date.

    And, of course, we have already seen that other animals rape for reproduction, including our primate cousins.


    So. What does the "rape for power" theory have going for it? Nada. Zilch. Nothing. It was conjecture raised in a single feminist book and it has been repeated as dogma ever since. With not a single study, survey, or experiment to back it up. NOTHING.

    Why? Because of the Naturalistic Fallacy, which you and a lot of people on these forums are absolutely FILTHY with. Because people think that everything natural is also good, they can not allow rape to be considered "natural" because to THEM this also means that rape is "good". It is a dumb philosophy. I would even posit that it is an EVIL philosophy.

    Looking at nature it is evident that "good" and "natural" do not go together. Nature is overloaded with murder, disease, infanticide, rape, poison, toxins, bacteria, infection, starvation, deceit...

    When a male langur (asian monkey) displaces the prior alpha-male, one of the first thing he does is kill all the children in the pack. They will scoop them up, take them up in the trees, and pull their limbs off one at a time. The sounds the kid makes is horrific, but the male doesn't seem to mind. The women get hysterical, but this act puts them back in estrus, ready to reward the genes in the male langur that made him perform this act. THIS is nature, and it is nasty, brutish, and perpetual.

    Your bullshit theory with no evidence also puts women in danger. By not teaching women that all men are inherently dangerous, we fill them with an irrational expectation of safety. Women are not armed to handle the brutal reality of what all men are capable of. So they go on dates, or they go off to a room together with a boy who is promising he just wants to "kiss". And the boy is telling the truth, but as soon as he becomes aroused, hormones and chemicals in his body make him something different. Something new. Psychological studies have asked groups of men the same questions when aroused and not-aroused and the difference in the answers bears this out.

    Women need to understand these experimental studies and have all the best information possible. They need to NEVER drink around boys they do not know. NEVER be alone with a boy you are not already consensually having sex with. Because even more often than actual "Rape" is the coerced sex that happens via peer pressure that is never reported as rape. Women give into sex before they are ready because of how aggressive aroused men get, and they live with this regret long afterward. It is a form of psychological rape that could also be prevented if we were honest about why men rape.

    QQ, a lot of your nonsense is entertaining and it livens up a site that would be boring without you. But you are helping women get hurt if you spread this bullshit around. Seriously.


    Edit: I forgot to add that the result of feminist teaching is the myth that the best recourse during rape is to lay still and not fight back, because the man is trying to submit you. However, studies that look at what happens when women fight back shows that the majority of them prevent the rape from occurring, and the man leaves without finishing the job. NOT what you would expect if rape is about control. EXACTLY what you would expect if rape is about reproduction. Again, the Leftist bullshit gets people hurt just as quickly as the Rightist bullshit. The Naturalistic Fallacy with Earth as the Goddess is the new religion.
     
  16. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    Oh well, as long as you and your wife laugh at your "rape" jokes that must be funny. I got it.

    Back to rape. Procreation is the last thing on the mind of a human rapist, who frequently torture and kill his victims. It's strange procreation strategy, isn't it? Extending concept of human rape on animals is absolutely delusional and ridiculous, but as long as it fits little comfy world of yours.... Animals don't rape, in the human sense. What appears to you as rape is NOT. Leave ducks alone, please, let them do their thing as nature intended.

    Intelligence? Intelligence as a survival tool that comes with a price. Bunch of perversions no animal is capable of is a part of the price. Self awareness is a double edged sword. As far as ultimate goal, survival, is concerned it appears that intelligence alone doesn't increase survival chances. Intelligent locust remains locust, extremely powerful, inventive locust, that's about it.

    You options are kind of limited. Please leave imaginary entity explaining really nothing aside for a while. Sharing 99% of genes with apes proves that we are "God's" creation and not a mutated product of the animal kingdom.
     
  17. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    The next morning a girl decides she was raped, even if she cannot remember much.
     
  18. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    What's truly sad is that men are not armed to handle the brutal reality of what all women are capable of. Pop cult, mass education, stereotypes paint much prettier, out of this world pictures of women than they deserve.
     
  19. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Procreation isn't on the mind of animals during rape either, sex is on their minds. As to murder/rape combos, as mentioned previously, that's very rare.
     
  20. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    How would you know what's on animal's mind? I'm curious. Is there "animal mind"?

    Sex on animal minds? Another anthropocentrism (or rather some monkey species centrism). Few animal species fuck around the clock/year like humans and some other monkeys do. Sex is out of animal mind for quite some time. Few species fuck for longer than a few seconds necessary to release sperm. Humans, on the other hand, are obsessed with the opposite task

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  21. dixonmassey Valued Senior Member

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    I have to see a male dog, famously sexed up specie, fucking a bitch of his choice just because he's big, strong, has no "morals" and a bitch is "pretty". No matter how big and vicious a male dog is, no matter how sexed up it's (male dogs stick dick in every hole they can find, they suck their own dick too

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    ) bitch's growl and lite bite is enough for a male dog to back off.

    Rape and natural selection don't go well together as far as procreation of the most fit males is concerned.
     
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    definition of rape:
    ~ wiki

    notice the emphasis on the words "without consent"

    Do ducks have the volition and sentience to offer or deny consent?
    Do dogs have any great notion of consent and if so do they respect the notion of consent? Do they have any morality within their mental and emotional makeup?

    To equate Humans with lesser animals you need to not only see the similarities but also the those factors that are different.

    Obviously Swivel you have confused yourself and equate yourself to no more than a dog in heat ....fortunately most people respect the issue of consent quite strongly other wise your wife would not be your wife any more....understand?
    Also for humans sex is more about the expression of their love and not so much about reproduction, ask any test tube and it will tell you. Does a dog in heat know what love is? Does a duck know what love is?

    Rape has nothing to do with reproduction......and I have yet to see you prove it has....
     
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  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    And I thought you held human potential in high esteem?
    ha what a fraud....
    all you are saying here is that man has no hope of learning self restraint and self discipline and respect for human rights as dictated by other more mature men.
    All you are doing is equaling men with your own lack of self restraint when it comes to sex and sexual attraction.

    What? Swivel can't you say no to your own swivel oops willy?


    btw I have never read a feminist book. never needed to....as it is obvious to me that respecting the issue of consent and the quality of that consent is ever important to my own success as an individual.
     

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