4 Years to Save Earth!

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by madanthonywayne, Jan 19, 2009.

  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It has been proven there's enough oil to last for over 100 years, it is just that it is very difficult to get to it and extract it. That's why alternative fuels that need no electricity to recharge them are being sought after by scientists today.
     
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  3. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Is it difficult to get to this oil using today's technology or using the technology we will have 100 years from now?

    Think about the tools we had 100 years ago and look at where we get a lot of our oil today. Also think about the rising retail cost of oil products. The scare tactics aren't working on me.
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Technology is helping extract hard to find oil today , it just costs more and takes more time to get it finished. The oil platforms out in the oceans are examples. They are now drilling at unheard of depths to reach oil but they are accomplishing it.
     
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    Why ? The results are in the same base unit..
    One would expect that countries like The Netherlands and Germany show a greater emission/capita than Russia. This is simply because they have greater wealth, so more motorized vehicles/capita, more money to take leisure drives, higher production rates etc.
    And yet your map shows that the emissions are similar.. The only conclusion can be that Russia has a relatively high emission/capita given their economic state.
     
  8. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. That's why peak oil, as a theory, fails. The oil reserve found in the Gulf rivals that of the Middle East. I have no doubt we will be pumping it in 20 years at not much greater expense. Just as the $3,000 mark has bought a top-end PC for a dozen years, the cost of drilling stays about the same as technology improves and more is asked of that technology.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    The proven/accessible oil reserves in the gulf at 3-15Gb compared to ~600Gb that is claimed in the middle east. The USA consumes 20-25Mb a day (7.3-9.1GB a year), the world consumes 75-85Mb a day (27-31GB a year). The energy return in mining oil has dropped from 50,000% back in the 1950's to 500% now with unconventional sources crawling as low as 200%, technology has yet to defeat thermodynamics. In short your smoking crazy shit.
     
  10. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    This is the point. Every time we are given a date of no return, discovery and technology push it back. Every year the predictions of doom are repeated, and every year some previous prediction is demonstrated to have been false.

    Isn't insanity when you repeat the same behavior and expect different results? This has been done over and over again, and I have no doubt that we will start using something besides oil LONG before we get close to tapping the Earth's supply.

    The people who argue my side of this have yet to be wrong and the people on your side have yet to be correct. Let me know when something changes.

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  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Peak oil is not about running out of oil, its about running out of CHEAP oil, technology can extract oil for oil sands, tar shale, deep underseas, etc but only at prices many times higher then we are use to. Unless there is a technological breakthrough like cheap fusion, energy prices will continue their statically proven decades long trend upwards at rates varying from adaptable to economy stopping, with prices fluctuating horrifically from incredibly cheap in some places at sometimes to incredibly expensive in others.

    The people that argue your side don't know what they are talking about, the people that argue my side are ear deep in the industry:
    For example Shell Oil CEO Jeroen van der Veer:

    Shell estimates that after 2015 supplies of easy-to-access oil and gas will no longer keep up with demand. As a result, society has no choice but to add other sources of energy
    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3548#more

    The only thing that push back the 2000 deadline for peak oil was the recessions of the 1980's, and the only thing that holds back oil prices now is the world wide depression/recession.
     
  12. McGarr Registered Member

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    Global Recession

    Perhaps the recession has been engineered in order to buy us some time to deal with peak oil. It also slows down global warming.

    If that is so then it seams like a good call to me
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps part of the recession (though in minor part) was cause by the oil price spike of demand not matching supply during 2008, and worse if we ever come out of this depression we will hit the ceiling of limited oil supply once again.
     
  14. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    There isn't a group of fat men in a room somewhere running everything. Nobody on the planet has the brains to predict our markets, much less control them.

    OK, EF... the new date is 2015. Can't wait to see how that prediction fares.

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  15. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    "Wolf" he cried. But nobody listened.
     
  16. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    Well, somebody has to take the punch. If US would do something, others would follow, and finally the pressure would be too tense for China and Russia to do nothing - with the whole world against them.

    Just sign it.
     
  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I have heard it would only take 1% of world GDP, but we lack the political will to do it.
     
  18. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    OMG! Its a consensus of ONE!

    Without reading the whole thread:

    Sounds to me like Hansen is in a panic over the cooling thats projected by some to last for 30 years.
     
  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    In actually we reach in in 2008 if you did not notice oil prices nearly reach $150 a barrel yet all the major producer countries were producing at max or near max capacity, so peak oil is a past fact, not an event to come. If you ask then why our prices now are cheap its because we are in a depression and demand has dropped below what can be supplied, the same thing happened after peak whale oil when ships could no longer find enough whales to supply demand (note that we never ran out of whales) were prices fluctuated rapidly from extremely expensive to very cheap and back and forth until a suitable replaced was established (in that case fossil oil)
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    There is no such cooling.
     
  21. Ladicius Registered Senior Member

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    Lol that pic reminds me of a south park episode.
     
  22. Ladicius Registered Senior Member

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    Try looking up HHO generators, I made one for my highschool science fair like 2 weeks ago. Ran a car on hydrogen(broken down bonds from water).
     
  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    So what.
     

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