2nd Ammendment

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jayleew, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, certainly it is because of the fact that some blacks got angry and shot people that they were granted their equal rights - truly that is the most relevant and meaningful message of the civil rights movement. Revisionist history is fun!

    You've given me an idea for a film about the civil rights movement - I'll fly in the face of all those liberal wack-jobs and make a dramatized historical piece which leaves in the parts where Rosa Parks bombed that damned bus, and MLK and his crowd did drivebys through Washington. It’s important that our children know the truth!
     
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  3. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    me liberal?no im RESONABLE.i dont follow anyone blindly.

    and i dont care if you actualy use your suv.i have an astro van[to pull my boat] and the view is sweet,those tiny hybrids[which pollute more then v8s!]look like ants from my captain chair.

    but if you dont need a v8 2.5 ton suv you shouldnt be driving it.it IS my/everyones air too,and i drive only four banger 5 speeds[except the van,it had a six but was a five speed so i got it,i dont drive much anyway].

    and most suvs do come in a four or six banger model,hell,you cant drive over 85mph without getting pulled over,massive 500hp motors are obsolete[for street driving].but i am a fan of personal choice and freedom.i just wish people would think about the repercussions of their actions instead of blindly going with their greed.

    having said that,i also have a firebird as my daily driver,but it has a fourbanger,and gets about 30 on the hiway[it will get over 40mpg hiway when im done with it].and its 10x cooler then an suv,but it barely has room for me.

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    any way back to topic. guns kick ass.
     
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  5. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    This will problably be one of the few times I ever agree with mars13. Guns are cool.
    We must have a means to defend ourselves from ourselves. I often define myself as liberal or at least left-of-centre, and I belive that the right to defend ourselves in any way possible is a basic human right, and if guns help us defend ourselves easier, then let my people have guns.
     
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  7. mars13 give me liberty Registered Senior Member

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    from my cold dead hands you damn dirty apes!!!
     
  8. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    You have a right to be your own criminal justice system?

    I have never heard about this. Could you quote it?
     
  9. chuck u farley Registered Senior Member

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    There are plenty of quotes around, by Madison and Washington, Jefferson, Tenche Coxe, Patrick Henry, George Mason, Franklin, John Adams, Richard Henry Lee and others about the purpose of the second amendment and the right of the citizenry to possess weapons. I have not seen any that state that the purpose of the second amendment is to protect the government, either from a foreign power or from it's own citizens. They all emphasize that an armed populace can protect itself from the government. I can understand perhaps some comment from one of them referring to helping the government against a foreign power. But I haven't found these quotes. Can you please show some from these guys or from any of their contemporary colleagues that support your point of view? Thank you.
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    So the constitution supports your right to a violent overthrow of the government?

    When do we start?
     
  11. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    if it in an encyclopedia it must be common knowledge.
     
  12. chuck u farley Registered Senior Member

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    Good for you Mr. Monkey! You're beginning to understand. Now, scroll down a little at Wikipedia and keep reading what, in their own words, Madison and Jefferson and John Adams and the others had in mind about the populace being armed. It's presented there so that anybody can understand.
     
  13. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Yes, and other people have other interpretations.

    You see there is the second amendment as it is written down. And then there are intrepretations of what is written down. Obviously you can quote anyone who agrees with your own interpretation. But as I have quoted myself, there are at least 2 major interpretations. One of which you find disagreeable and therefore ignore every time it is mentioned and keep refering to your own interpretation.

    So scroll up and read again about the existence of two schools of thought on the interpretation of the second. And there is your answer to your previous question. Could you show anyone to support a particular view. Well, we don''t even have to quote an individual. It is apparently commonly accepted that there are 2 major schools of thought on how to interpret the 2nd. One of which gives a central role to the state.

    Have I now repeated myself enough?
     
  14. chuck u farley Registered Senior Member

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    Have you repeated yourself enough? There may be 10,000 interpretations around today. What did the guys who set up the USA and the Constitution think? You are resorting to sophistry again Mr. Monkey.
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Absolutely it does! Read some of Thomas Jefferson's papers, you'll see the basic thinking that went into the Constitution ...and rightfully so.

    Baron Max
     
  16. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Great, I'm starting the American Liberation Army, who's with me?
     
  17. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I am because although I am not a citizen of the US they made me sign an oath of allegiance to the constitution of the United States of America.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, explain your basic position and the goals, and I'll sign up. Or are you suggesting a revolution without an "exit strategy"????

    I think the first thing we should do is shoot all politicians. Then we can elect new politicians for the positions ...but the minute that they begin to act and talk like politicians, we should shoot them, too. And anyone who WANTS to be a politician should be shot just for considering that as a career!

    Baron Max
     
  19. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    It doesn't really matter what they think. It matters what is written down.

    analogy:
    Who know what god really thought. It's what in the bible that counts.


    Anyway, I don't see how you can misinterpret 'two major schools of thought'. It is not quite the same as 'one major school of thought, but there are 10.000 other interpretations who are obviously all wrong'.
     
  20. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I knew we would agree on something in the end!
     
  21. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Great! Now tell me how we're gonna' shoot all those people if the politicians have confiscated all of our guns???? See? If we have to slit their throats, we'll get blood all over our clothes, ruining a good shirt and pair of pants!

    Baron Max
     
  22. chuck u farley Registered Senior Member

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    Of course it matters what they thought. That is why one of those interpretations is in error.

    Which one? That's easy. Read carefully each interpretation. Then, read what Jefferson, Madison, et al wrote about this.
     
  23. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    What about cambodia style?

    Take two prisoners. Give one of them a shovel. Take him away to dig a grave. Make him stand in front of the grave. Hit him at the back of the head with his own shovel. Give shovel to other prisoner. Let him fill up the grave. Go back for tea.

    No blood no mess no sweat.
     

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