2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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  1. David Worth Registered Member

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    Let's establish a common ground for the "entity" and "organism" terms.



    Yeah, you're right. But things need to change. I was trying to transmit that with the original claim.



    Ok, what do you think about it then ?
     
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Go ahead: explain how you're using them.

    Okay. Understood.

    It's neither here nor there what I think. It's nothing to do with the topic.
     
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  5. David Worth Registered Member

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    Entity: an intelligent existence, with an organism as the support platform.
    In our case it's the organism that generates our entity.

    Just tell what you think about it, nothing more after ... to reach a conclusion.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    So essentially by "entity" you're referring to consciousness/ intellect/ mind.
    Okay.

    Which doesn't go toward your comment about "being trapped in an organism" (where else would it be?) or "choosing" (unless the "choosing" is simply that our conscious arises in the body we're in...).

    Nor does it help to explain your claim that:
    Every entity has the freedom to live as long as it wants.

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    I did. This is where people have trouble with me. That is exactly what I think about it. What I think is neither here nor there.
     
  8. David Worth Registered Member

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    Just because you're incapable of choosing at birth, does not make it ok for others to make those choices for you. You're trapped because you have no way out of it, (well not now at least). You get old and die. And why ? because the mechanism refuses to change.



    Yeah, I should have said that it is better to be have that freedom I mentioned earlier, unlike the times when things were / are like that. You don't have to be forcefully bound by this system when making a claim. I was talking from an outside perspective, an unbound one.


    Alright. Understood.
     
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  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Huh? What choices? To "have you born"?
    The only other "option" is to not be born, and reduces your subsequent choices considerably.

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    If we were born fully-functional then we'd be able to complain about choices "made for us" after birth...

    Ah. Got you. When I first read your post (and then comments distinguishing "entity" from "organism") it came across as some sort of "spirits are immortal and they're stuck (temporarily) in a body" or the like. We have a number of people here who consider that *cough* explanation as factual...
     
  10. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Just because you're incapable of choosing at birth doesn't stop others from making choices in your stead, either. Correct?


    Yes, I agree. This would seem to be a working definition of trapped. (at least for now)


    Why?


    Oh, I see. Because you choose to do so...


    I'm sorry, what? Could you rephrase that in English for me?


    Of course not. Why would you think that anyone would?


    Unbound? Unbound? Isn't that an antonym of "trapped", such as stated in your original premise? How is it that you escaped?


    Maybe there is hope...
     
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  11. David Worth Registered Member

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    The option would be, not to die and not have a limited life span due to an evolutionary mechanism which refuses to change, and be allowed to override, change that, be in control of the platform you have, even if you are integrated in it.

    No, not at all. I separated the two because only a part of that organism wishes for something else to happen. While the rest follows something else.
     
  12. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    See? It is difficult...

    Which part? What wish? Happen when? What does the "rest" consist of?

    Wow. That's a lot of something "elses"...

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  13. David Worth Registered Member

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    Randwolf

    it's described above
     
  14. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Cool. Could you kindly point out which what it is that is described above?

    Sorry, I'm having a slow night here...

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  15. David Worth Registered Member

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    I was saying that one mind wishes to overcome the horrible predicament it got involved in. The fact that it gets trapped at birth in a dying body, because the evolution mechanism forces that on you, as a solution.
    Well there are alternatives, change the way our organism survives, genetic manipulation, change of the body, etc.

    Edit: Removed some line that I thought were hostile.
     
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  16. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Haven't the foggiest idea. But then again, it is raining... :shrug:


    Could you explain what you mean by this? Who's mind?


    I still don't get what this "it" is that gets trapped. ?


    Exactly. I think this is like, you know, the topic, here, right?
     
  17. David Worth Registered Member

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    You lost me completely, can you rephrase this ? please.

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  18. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Sure...

    Haven't the foggiest idea. But then again, it is raining...
    Edit: Removed possible hostile response...


    Could you explain what you mean by this? Who's mind?
    Edit: Do you understand these 10 words?


    I still don't get what this "it" is that gets trapped. ?
    Edit: How about these 11? Is this where the confusion lies?


    Exactly. I think this is like, you know, the topic, here, right?
    Edit: Well, let's see. This is me agreeing with you. As in mutual understanding. Comprende?
     
  19. David Worth Registered Member

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    The mind that gets trapped with hith the body it came (before edit I wrote camed) with, they are the same thing essentially, except the mind has a different will..


    The mind inside the respective body.


    Okay, got it.

    Edit: Hope you understand what I wrote.
     
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  20. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, I'm trying really hard here, so please be patient...

    First, what is "hith"?
    "camed" - OK, I think I can deal with that one - "came" is most likely. Correct?

    So you are saying that the mind and the body are the same thing, or that the mind is part of the body, or something similar. Right?

    If so, wouldn't it be great if we could modify that something in such a way as to increase lifespan, intelligence and potential productivity to a point approaching infinity? Kind of like a "singularity"?

    If you agree with this, then we are reduced to arguing over the potential feasibility and implementation of said augmentation. Or perhaps your quarrel is with the particular year predicted in the thread title?


    If I am interpreting this correctly, you are simply reinforcing the idea that the functions of the "mind" arise from an organ within the body. Most likely the brain... Am I getting close?

    See above for reply...


    Do you? Do you really? Say it back to me in your own words - just so I can be assured that no further miscommunication exists.

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    I hope so too... It was a bit confusing there for a moment.
     
  21. taichitarot Registered Senior Member

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    What part of man becomes immortal then? (1945 in a moment).
    i'm mortal already. why would i want to be immortal and which part of me would i choose or do you choose?

    Incidentally: the yew tree - nearly immortal - lives for thousands of years -
    and loved in Europe and around the world since Brittish Colonialism -
    historically was used for the manufacture of sword hilts,
    long bows and fighting staffs (though not many people
    know this but think yew is something religious).
    --------------------------------------------------------
    More recently the public turns its attention too cheap
    household appliances and electronic equipment - mostly
    manufactured in China; which has not had two world wars
    nor used you as a weapon. For that, I am thankful.

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    - good solid post.
     
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  22. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    If only we could all be yew...

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  23. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Still awaiting confirmation of this... :m:
     
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