2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Are you ready to become immortal? To be a billion times smarter than you are now? To have your consciousness downloaded into the virtual reality of your choice? Ray Kurzweil is...

    2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal
    Address:http://www.cosmicgnostic.com/node/1344
     
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    certainly very optimistic, to say the least ....
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    2045?
    Wasn't it supposed to be 2030 a couple of years ago?
    Pfft, vapourware...
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    2030..September 21st in fact..is the date of a possible asteroid impact. Although the asteroid is only the size of a city block, it would definitely cause major regional devastation. Maybe it'll land on Ray Kurzweil's house.

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    Just so you know: an asteroid could hit Earth on 21 September 2030 | World news | The Observer
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/nov/05/theobserver4
     
  8. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    It'll probably land on my house, right after I finish the roof.
     
  9. Ruud_Luiten Registered Member

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    Of course this aint true, this is an invention made by dumbs
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    In the year, 2525...
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Ha! Showing your age!
    Zager & Evans IIRC.
     
  12. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    An asteroid could nail the earth in 20 minutes, let alone 30 years. Don't fret about it.
     
  13. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Hope you don't encounter electromagnetic pulses or your "immortality" might be a little in trouble.


    peace.
     
  14. skog Registered Member

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    I didn’t read the whole article but I think I got the gist of it. I wont bring up the obvious points of contention regarding the plausibility of AI / computer consciousness, since I am sure that has been done to death on this forum. But regarding Kurzweil’s idea (assuming it is his own) that the brain’s data can be dumped cleanly into a digital simulation… I don’t see how this could work. It’s not like the brain is a raw processing algorithm. Your intelligence doesn’t increase when you increase the brain’s CPU speed. Neuronal activity is much more complicated than that. They merge into each other in networks that are too complex to be simulated by simple digital switches. I am no neurobiologist but I have read enough about the brain to know that there are some glaring problems with predicting the “transhuman” element in singularity theory.

    I would also point out that talking about human immortality is fine and all that, but what about the disputed finite nature of the universe? When the universe ends, you end - so much for the singularity! Of course that is a whole other debate, but still something Kurzweil should consider before using such loaded language

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  15. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    They are just trying to cling to science to save them from death it's a phase all atheists go through most likely. *Pondering immortality within AI*.


    Truth is your all going to die so get over it.
     
  16. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks to medical and other sciences developed from atheists and believers alike, our life span is a lot longer than it used to be only a few centuries ago.

    You're correct, but nothing wrong with extending the one life we have as long as we can, is there?
     
  17. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    That's the exact reason why you are religious.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Truth is religion has cornered the "immortalist" market for millenia promising this and that snake oil to make people live forever. But so far it's death-fearing members keep dying as quickly as non-believers. So science comes along and offers real possibilities for prolonging life and suddenly you fault IT for not being fatalistic enough about dying?
     
  19. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Death may be inevitable, but aging isn't.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I saw the documentary "Transcendent Man" a few days ago which explained Kurzweil's ideas in depth. He posits a trifecta of technological advancement: genetics, nanotechnology, and AI. While at our present stage of scientific knowledge the brain and consciousness remain largely a mystery, it's easy to see that if Ray's exponential growth projection is applied to these three fields, such issues may quickly be resolved. Take quantum supercomputers capable of intelligent thought for example. With these working on the problem of consciousness surely it wouldn't take long until it could be solved and technologies invented that could generate or emulate it. At the molecular level you could have hybrids of cells and microprocessors that perform operations equivalent to our own cerebral cortex. Unless we are positing some absolute limit to scientific knowledge, why couldn't such things happen down the road?



    Well, if the evolution of the transhuman truly launches into exponential overdrive circa 2045, I think we will have long figured out time travel and maybe even interdimensional travel just by the time our sun dies. That's a few billion years, but who knows what we will be capable of by then?
     
  21. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Why not? Because most of that is conceptual.

    To use that as an accurate prediction is only a few steps better then to use star trek as an accurate prediction of the future.

    Dude, your assuming that all of these problems can be solved, hell, you assume most of them actually exist.

    The problem I have with science fiction is it makes people like you believe that these things are actually possible within modern physics.

    And I doubt our species as we know it will last for more then a billion years.
     
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    ... a rusty sword for practicing proctology ...
     
  23. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    This thread was about being "Immortal" not increasing life span by mere years.

    Peace.
     
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