Discussion in 'World Events' started by madanthonywayne, Jan 29, 2007.
Here's a delightful little bit of the Koran:
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Here's another gem:
That is precisely the problem. Mainstream culture is terrible right now. It's mainly self-satisfied arrogance stemming from being an american especially in inside conversations, traditional ignorant conservatism mixed with hypocritical liberal amoralism to suit oneself. IF you are not or IF you do not automatically have an ingrained appreciation or tolerance for this, you are not accepted into the mainstream anymore than an atheist is accepted by a theist and vice versa and will be considered anti-american in sentiment. Laws don't change people's hearts and personal inclinations, they just take it inside or act out in other ways. Pretty soon it becomes a negative aspect of a culture. That is why majority caucasian-americans, african-americans, and hispanics are part of the mainstream culture because they either have accepted, cowtowed, or been responsible in shaping it. This gets skewed to convince fellow americans and the world that america is so multicultural when it actually isn't just because you have three predominant races thinking in similar fashion. It is not multicultural but one culture or thread of a culture that has predominated and picked up momentum all along and is intolerant. The rest that don't fit in are marginalized just as an atheist would be. That is the way it is. Majority rule, however lies, spin, or labels they falsely claim.
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i hope all goes well.
According to the translation i have just read Quran 5:51 says this
[5:51] O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as tribal patrons; these are tribal patrons of one another. Those among you who become clients of these belong with them.
Ive also just read this
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): "Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness--their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow."
5:82. " . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: 'We are Christians.' That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud."
on what you dont agree?
yeah thats one of the reasons i came to the conclusion you hate jews.
you said it, not me.
and you know what i want how? telepathy?
will is irrelevant. facts are all that count here. remember that next time.
That's not an argument, babe.
If the accounts we read have any truth, there is little patriotism in the native lands of these folks' ancestors. Everyone is a Shiite, Sunni, Sufi or whatever sect first, and a Lebanese, Afghani or Iraqi second. Or more likely third, or tenth.
That is the essence of the reason we Americans with our melting pot are so wary of Islam. It is not a religion of assimilation, not a religion that advances people up the scale of civilization, from kinfolk of a clan to members of a tribe to citizens of a nation to residents of Earth.
If 82% of the Muslims in the U.K. feel loyalty to the U.K., the British must be doing something right for them. That has to be a higher percentage than in most Middle Eastern countries. What percentage of the Muslims in Iran or Palestine think it's perfectly okay to kill their Christian and Jewish neighbors--or even members of a different sect of Islam?
I fail to see how we support Israel beyond its basic right to exist? The majority of the time, Israel has supported herself. That is, through crushing her enemies in repeated confrontations with multiple nations.
Also, Saddam didn't "threaten Zionism". He threatened Kuwait.
Since when are Zionists to blame for someone shooting Bobby Kennedy?
I have never claimed the Jews to be blameless. In fact, I've gone on the record saying I think Holocaust Jews were the most shameful bunch of cowards in the history of man. However, I have no problem with Jews individually, nor do I really give a damn what they do to Arabs in Palestine, so long as the Palestinians don't try to blow me up afterwards.
I certainly would prefer Palestinians to have a state of their own, though. But my level of caring is litterally just above total apathy.
Quote me. Show me where I have said "the white race is the greatest of all races".
It's doing great. How about you, my good man?
Oh I certainly know that not all Moslems hate Jews. But it fits into the whole "radical Islamic" thing.
Predator hasn't outright called Ghost 007 anything derogatory. Ghost 007 has gone on record as calling Predator a "Jew boy". This is the equivalent of calling an Italian a wop, at least. In the manner delivered, it is hateful.
Oh I agree. The double standard is terrible.
However, it seems that from much of what I've read, Israel at least -tries- not to target women and children. Palestinian terrorist attacks specifically target women and children, as far as I am aware. That is to say, we could call in the principle of double effect, and regulate Israeli counteraggression to a lower level of moral blame.
The individual v. state argument is pretty lame, yes. The actions are m orally equivalent in one way or another, at least.
I agree entirely. That would be a rational decision.
The House of Saud would probably save itself from total collapse without US support if that occured, too. An excellent idea.
Since they lack the ability to attack soldiers, they attack women and children? Fuck that. That is cowardly and evil.
They should either organize into a real army or use nonviolent methods to protest.
If the Palestinians organized peaceful marches, sit ins, etc., Israel would have to deal with them peacefully. So long as they continue to pursue their goals thru the most incredibly evil methods imaginable, they will garner little sympathy and will engender more and more violent Israeli reprisals.
Hilarious. Remember something called the invasion of Iraq?Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
And lets not forget Afghanistan:
I still don't see the relevence. I'd expect more faith in nonviolent methods from an Indian. Remember this guy?
The Israelis are civilized. Non-violent methods would work on them. Even if it didn't, it would work on the US. If Isreal was mowing down peaceful protestors all the time, and the Palestinians were not commiting atrocities against innocents, support for Israel would evaporate and they'd be forced to come to an accomodation with the Palestinians. Just like what happened in South Africa.
yep its going well, i am real busy at the moment, thank you for asking.
Well you know what my answer to this is....... The House of Saud
Ok i havenot seen everything Predator has posted in ghost's direction... Apologies to predator as it apepars through a lack of evidence on my part of have done him a dis-service. Mind you pred has called me sick and so on and so forth before, so that probably fuzzed the issue. Apologies Predator.
Ghost please put me straight if you know otherwise, and maybe if you have not done so already apologise to ol' predator.
Well if the israeli;'s dont specifically target women and children they must have dam right awful targeting systems and the people aiming must ahve terrible eyesight!!!
the cyel of violence will continue i am afriad as to many external forces want it to contiune for their own agendas
yes well that would be nice but........The house of saud do not want a solution, cos if they did it could ahve been sovled years ago.... it is good for them to have israel occupying muslim land as it detracts the attention of the people away from thier brutality, greed and incompetncies etcc.... and towards the Israel / palestine issue.
yeah and he was one of my non muslim freinds, he was well pleased, i told him to give the money to charity or somethign as he does not want to spend money given to him from criminals!! Mind you he did not really grasp the concept when i went into it in more detail
You're assuming it would ever reach the Western media, or that they would even care. Nobody appears to be bothered by the wall or the starvation or the daily incursions or the indiscriminate killings of civilians.
I doubt the Palestinian suicide bombers are doing it to make a statement to the world. As many interviews with Palestinians have showed (including one with the daughter of a 60 year old grandmother who was a suicide bomber) they are merely exacting personal revenge for their own losses.
That’s why I think you’re an idiot.
I supported Hezbollah because they were defending against an aggressor (that’s my view). Religion, race, skin colour etc. were irrelevant (The Israeli military has many Arab soldiers don’t forget). For fuck sake man, try to understand that.
Yeh, I apologise for calling predator a Jew boy, I wasn't aware that it was racist (just like whiteboy etc.), I take it back. Predator, as I was saying, I attack you because of your character (not because of your religion), I think you're a snake. Innocent Jews were thrown out of their homes in Europe yet you call for the same thing to happen to innocent Muslims (thats me).
That was your first post in this thread.
for concluding you hate jews because of multiple reasons one is enjoying to see another country getting its civilians killed and its soldiers dying? give me a break.....it doesnt even sound you believe what you wrote yourself, other wise you wouldnt have even take the time to respond.
but hezbullah was the one who fired on israel. hows that settle with your view they merely defended themselves?
idf doesnt have that many arab soldiers. most of them dont want to go to the idf.
when did jewish citizens in britian supported terror against british citizens or acted with terror inside britian?
im guessing they didnt. so your comparison is false.
Why do you have to lie? when have I said I enjoy watching civilians die? I have condemned the targeting of all innocents (Jew/Muslim etc). I enjoyed watching Israeli soldiers (they have Arab soldiers too don't forget) get their asses whooped. I've done enough explaining now, thats it, for fuck sake grow up.
We will never agree on this point plus it is has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
That’s just your opinion. Is Israel a secular democracy or a Jewish fundamentalist state? Arabs fight in the Israeli Army, if my memory serves me correctly, an Israeli Arab soldier killed Tom Hurndall (British activist). Fuck the Israeli military.
Fucking pleb. To hell with your comparisons.
Tell me, what accusations were levelled against the Jews by the Nazis? how much of it was bullshit and propaganda?
You're a poor propaganda artist but you still attempt to malign and smear a whole religious minority in the UK, generalisations, stupidity and all the rest of it. Yeh, and as you said in your first comment in this thread, you want me thrown out of my home.
Can't you learn something from your own history? Why can’t you use it to improve yourself as a human being? You’re doing exactly what the Nazis did. You're a fucking snake. Note, I never called for any Israeli to be thrown out of his/her home, I never called for Israel to be destroyed or invaded. Predator, how would you feel if someone wanted you thrown out of your home? what would you say to them?
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