1=2

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  1. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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  3. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    You proved the statement "1 = 2" implies "1 = 1" -- that is trivial because "1 = 1" follows from "things are equal to themselves" and in no way supports the notion that "1 = 2" is true.

    "1 = 2 ⇒ 1 = 1" does not mean "1 = 2" is true.

    You multiplied by sides by a number (2), and added a number (-3) to both sides. You also squared both sides which is legitimate. But if you perform the same three operations in other orders you prove that:

    "1 = 2 ⇒ 1 = 13"
    "1 = 2 ⇒ -4 = -2"
    "1 = 2 ⇒ 4 = 1"
    "1 = 2 ⇒ 2 = 8"
    "1 = 2 ⇒ -2 = 1"

    In general a false assumption may be connected with any consequent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion This does nothing to demonstrate the truth of either side.
     
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  5. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    Try proving 1=2 starting with 1=1 and you'll find it a lot harder.
     
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  8. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    The square function, \(f(x) = x^{2}\) is 'many to one', ie multiple inputs can give the same output. Thus it is not invertible so just because f(x) = f(y) doesn't mean x=y. This is why a function must be both injective and surjective in order to be bijective.
     
  9. pmb Banned Banned

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    You never proved that 1 = 2. What you did was to assume that 1 = 2 and use that to prove 1 = 1. That doesn't prove that 1 = 2 whatsoever.

    You could have started with -1 = 1 and prove that 1 = -1 by squaring both sides like you did as part of the proof. That too is not a proof that -1 = 1.
     
  10. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    sounds like that algorithm used to prove woman = evil.

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  11. Tach Banned Banned

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    1. True premise+correct reasoning=> True conclusion (not your case)
    2. False premise+correct reasoning=> False conclusion (your case above)
     
  12. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    Tach, isn't the above link 3. False premise + correct reasoning => Coincidentally True conclusion.
     
  13. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    Man you guys must be a blast at parties...

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  15. Fudge Muffin Fudge Muffin Registered Senior Member

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    oh my, he's right
     
  16. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm…looks good to me. In fact, I’d be willing to trade all my onesies for your twosies. A guy like you must have hoards of two-dollar bills, eh?

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  17. pmb Banned Banned

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    The way proofs work is that you start out with an equality which you know is true. You then apply a series of operations on both sides of the equal sign. You willthen end you end up with an expression which is gaurenteed to be true.

    This is not what was done in post #1. Therefore there was no proof that 1 = 2 presented.
     
  18. Fudge Muffin Fudge Muffin Registered Senior Member

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    but if root 1 = root 1 ... what's stopping me from saying -1 = 1 ?
     
  19. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    Technically, nothing. The equals sign is supposed to be transitive, and you could exploit this fact to rework the OP in a more proper manner:

    \(sqrt(1) = -1 (TRUE) sqrt(1) = 1 (TRUE) -1 = 1; Add 3... 2 = 4; Divide by 2... 1 = 2; QED\)

    This was done in the proper order and if you want to say it's improper then you must claim that the equals operator is not transitive.

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  20. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    If you say \(\sqrt{1} = \pm 1\) then your definition of \(\sqrt{x}\) isn't a function and therefore you have no right to say \(+1 = -1\). Case solved.
     
  21. przyk squishy Valued Senior Member

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    In case it's not clear, for reals the square root is always defined to be positive, so \(\sqrt{1} = 1\) and not \(-1\). If you use \(\sqrt{1}\) to denote either root of \(x^{2} = 1\) then you're using ambiguous notation, and there's no reason the two roots should be equal just because you give them the same name. RJ's "proof" is a bit like saying "Let \(x = 2\) and \(x = 3\). Therefore transitivity implies \(2 = 3\).".

    (For the same reason, in mathematics we much prefer to say \(i^{2} = -1\) rather than \(i = \sqrt{-1}\).)
     
  22. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps there should be a different equals operator to distinguish between

    \(sqrt{1} = \pm 1\)

    and

    \(sqrt{1} = -1\)

    ?
     
  23. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    But if you're going to go this route then...

    \(-1^2 = 1\)

    yet

    \(sqrt{1} = 1\)

    so now you've broken the square function's inverse?? hehe

    I'm just trolling here...I just found it comical that rpenner and others felt compelled to point out that 1 does not in fact equal 2.

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