1+1=?

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by beenjammin2lp, Nov 24, 2004.

  1. Sabejias Special Relativity Activist Registered Senior Member

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    0.0r1=0. Duh!
    .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...1!

    I know of another way to prove that 0.9r=1.

    Let x=0.9r
    10x=9.9r
    (.99999999999999999999...*10=9.99999999999999999999...)
    10x-x=9.9r-0.9r
    9x=9
    x=1
    0.9r=1

    See?
    No divide by 0s or any of that mathematical nonsense!
     
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  3. Sabejias Special Relativity Activist Registered Senior Member

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    What about google+1? eh?
    And then 2*google.
     
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  5. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    No,

    If x = 0.9r

    then 10x = 9.0r

    You can't just go adding shit to one side at will. This is stupid.
     
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  7. shmoe Registred User Registered Senior Member

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    I think the 'r' was supposed to stand for repeating, 0.9r=0.99999...


    One thing I wish though is that people wouldn't write crap like 0.0r1=0.00...001, like there's some kind of last decimal place after an infinite number of other digits. Sigh.
     
  8. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Jeeze. Looked like a variable to me. Then again, I was expecting conventional notation. Silly of me.
     
  9. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Holy shit batman, why is this thread still alive? 1+1=2 and 1x+1y<>2 if the x
    & y quantities dont balance the left side of the equation. Somsone shoot
    this thread please!
     
  10. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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  11. Sabejias Special Relativity Activist Registered Senior Member

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    In math, why would you have to spend 300+ pages proving that 1+1=2. Isn't that the definition of 2?

    I apologize for my usage of r. I noticed that other people were using it.
     
  12. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    I suspect that most of the proof dealt with proving that 1+1 always equals the same thing.
     
  13. Sabejias Special Relativity Activist Registered Senior Member

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    That seems pretty sad. I hated having to do all these proofs in high school.
    BASIC INUITION!!!

    Actually, reflexive property of equalitiy: 1+1=1+1
    Definition of 2: 1+1=2
    Transitive property of equality: 1+1=2
     
  14. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    But again, you just assume that 1+1 must always equal the same thing. Maybe sometimes 1+1 equals one thing, and other times it equals another. Then you could only define "2" as "the result of 1+1" if you were willing to allow 2 to have more than one value.

    Of course it seems intuitive that 1+1 could only ever result in one possible value, but in math that doesn't count for much. Intuition is often wrong.
     
  15. Sabejias Special Relativity Activist Registered Senior Member

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    Reflexive property of equality. For any a, a=a. if a is defined as 1+1, then by reflexivity, 1+1 always equals 1+1.
     
  16. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but this doesn't prove that 1+1 can only ever have one possible value.

    By the reflexive property of equality 4^0.5 = 4^0.5, but 4^0.5 could equal +2 or -2. How do we know that there aren’t more than one possible answer for 1+1, just as there are more than one possible value for 4^0.5? I could see it taking many pages of set theory to prove that.
     
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  17. Sabejias Special Relativity Activist Registered Senior Member

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    Good point.
     
  18. Breaker Registered Member

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    1+1=whater the value of 1 may equal. In cryptology we use this inorder to encode things for example:"1"=5 and "2"=6 then 1+2=11
    This has to be the only way other than change of base that 1+1 may equal something other than 2.

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  19. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?
    Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.


    - Abraham Lincoln

    I don't necessary agree with Mr Lincoln, but I acknowledge his point.
     
  20. el-half Registered Senior Member

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    If one claims that 0.9r = 1, it is false in the same sense as 0.9r + 0.0r1 = 1 is false.
     
  21. shmoe Registred User Registered Senior Member

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    No it isn't false. 0.9r is the limit of the sequence 0.9, 0.99, 0.999, .... In other words, it's 1, end of story. This is how a decimal is defined, it's just a convenient shorthand for an infinite series (though it becomes finite if your decimal is terminating).

    This goes beyond false and enters the realm of meaningless. There is no decimal with a 1 following an infinite number of decimal places, there is no "last" decimal place.There's no smallest positive real number, no "infintessimal" real number.
     
  22. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    Just wondering:
    0.9999r.... =1
    0.8888r.... does not equal 0.9, correct?
    0.8999r.... does this equal 0.9?
    0.0999r.... does this equal 0.10? Or does such convention only apply to whole numbers? As anyone can see, I am not a mathematician, I am just curious.
     
  23. shmoe Registred User Registered Senior Member

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    Correct, it's 8/9.

    Yes and yes.

    It's not so much a convention as it is a consequence of the definition of a decimal.
     

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