“Proof” of Citizenship Required Vetting Process to Place Mother in Nursing Home

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Buffalo Roam, Oct 25, 2008.

  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So Obama has spent millions on a campaign he is ineligible to run? Does the Democratic Party know this? Buffy, are you saying Obama has duped them all?
    What does McCain say about this because I think it would be a valid issue for him to raise. But only if it were true. Maybe that's why he hasn't.
     
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  3. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Really, if the only legal form of being natural born citizen is your long form birth certificate, how has he proved citizenship?

    The Short form Certificate is not legal to prove citizenship, for a Passport, you have to prove your citizenship, and before you can receive a passport you have to provide your long form certificate, or your naturalization papers, as a citizen of the United States.

    Law, Federal Law, now show me were I am wrong about the Law of Proof of Citizenship, and then I will accept your conclusion as to Citizenship.

    Now stop trying to make this about me,

    And prove that the Short Form Birth Certificate is acceptable as proof of citizenship.

    Your smart enough to do that aren't you?

    Debate the point with facts, as I have, I have presented fact, visible and in open view.

    I have presented law as to what is acceptable proof of Natural Citizenship, now what have you presented?

    Lip.

    The traditional function of a signature is evidential: it is to give evidence of:

    1.The provenance of the document (identity)

    2.The intention (will) of an individual with regard to that document
     
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  5. desi Valued Senior Member

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    McCain has said nothing yet. The question is, how long do you wait before you spring the trap. Obama's grandmother admits he was born in Kenya. If she gets a subpoena to testify, I think they already have her statement sworn on video, Obama is doomed.

    As for McCain. Why should he or any Republican get their hands dirty on this? Let the judge who rules on it look like the bad guy. That judge is scheduled to rule on it soon. "The wheels of justice grind slow but exceedingly fine."

    What I wonder about is why this would be set up. What is going to happen if Obama gets tossed out of the race? Is Charles Manson planning this out so he can have his race war?
     
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  7. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Really Gannymede?

    The Dot in pointed out by the red arrow?

    A forged certificate.

    One image created and posted by opendna is what he describes as a "blank template" of a State of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth.
    Only two data fields are filled in: the ISLAND OF BIRTH ("Oahu") and the HOUR OF BIRTH (7:24 PM). Neither of the images have a
    posted date stamp, but embedded EXIF information contains the time stamp of June 12 at 8:24am, the same day and time Daily Kos
    posted the purported Obama birth certificate.

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    Well the same dot is on the Obama Birth Certificate.........

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  8. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Didn't someone say something about desperation, how "Democrats are desperate".

    So therefore Republicans are justified in being equally desperate, is that the formula?
     
  9. superstring01 Moderator

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    If one of Obama's parents were American citizens, he is too. What's the issue?

    ~String
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I think the issue is buffalo doesn't like him.
     
  11. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh. This is just fucking insane.

    If he were white, would you seriously be asking this question ? (and I mean, white white, not Latino or Arab).
     
  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    PJdude, you need to figure out it is his ideology I don't like.

    I am not like you, and confuse race with ideologies, and then decide that if a person doesn't agree with the ideologies, he must be a raciest.

    There are many who do so on this sight, so you are not alone.

    There are many things in this world that you have to provide proof of who you are, from trying to obtain a drivers license, to any professional license, from a passport, to going into a nursing home, and they require original birth certificates.

    To be a President you must be naturally born, that requires a long form birth certificate, not a Certificate of Live Birth.

    Obama, has this smug superior attitude that He is above the requirements, he has not presented his Long Form Birth Certificate ,which would have blown this right out of the water before it even started.

    Now over the years I have had to provide my Original Vault Birth Certificate, as certified copies, and those copies needed to be signed in Ink by the County Clerk, to be recognized as legal, they were stamped, and that stamp had to be countersigned by the Issuing County Officer.

    Obama has not presented or met any of the requirements of proof of the legality of the Birth Certificate He has presented, That short form is insufficient as evidence byb law, to prove natural citizenship.


    By the way here is a long form copy of John McCains Birth certificate.

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    If you care to notice the stamp of notary, lower left side, that attest to the originality of the Birth Certificate, is countersigned in Ink.
     
  13. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So if my husband and I had been on vacation in Canada and I went into labor and had my child there, that child could never be president?
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So John McCain was not born in the US. Why is he running for President?
     
  15. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    String read the laws, just read the laws, they have to be followed, and it seems that they weren't, and the only way to prove that they were is to produce the Long Form birth Certificate and the Consular Report of Birth FS-240.

    The Law.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    According to The Law, McCain is not a natural born citizen.

    Otherwise you would have to allow all children born on US territories to be naturalized citizens. For example, if an Iraqi woman has an American service mans baby in a hospital in Iraq that happens to be a US Military base, then the baby would be born in US territory and eligible to run for US President.
     
  17. desi Valued Senior Member

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    McCain was born on a military base which is US property. He has his ticket to ride. Obama evidently was born in Kenya and lived in Indonesia for awhile after that, where he had to be an Indonesian citizen to go to school, so his US citizenship is in question.

    Its funny this was originally Hillary's magic bullet against Obama but now its benefitting McCain.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Iraq is a military base too. 50 of them. I doubt the Iraqis consider it as US territory.

    Panama was also occupied.
     
  19. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    No, after the birth, you would report the Birth to the U.S. Consul, and receive a Consular Report of Birth FS-240.

    Now, as both You and your Husband are Natural Born Citizens, your child would also be a natural born citizen.

    Hell I was involved in this a couple of dozen time when I was stationed over seas, the men in my platoon, a bunch of horny bastards were always getting their wives pregnant, on the way over, or in country, and since most tours are 2 and 3 years, the children were born over seas.

    Part of my job, as a Platoon Sergeant was to help them get the proper documentation, and get it submitted to the proper agencies, so too assure that any child born to American Citizens serving in the Armed Forces, were covered and became Legal Natural Citizens, with full birth right.

    It is the same procedure for civilians, it the Law and must be followed, and complied with.

    Now there may even be agreements with Canada that already take care of this, we have agreements over Social Security, and Unemployment Benefits, and it would not surprise me that we had agreements covering Births in each others countries.

    The other big determining factor is the fact that Both You and Your Husband are Americans by Birth, or Naturalized, that is were the rub comes in with Obama, both of his parents were not American Citizens, and no one followed the Law, and He refuses to end the controversy by the simple act of releasing his Vault Birth Certificate......WHY?
     
  20. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What if my husband wasn't a citizen?
     
  21. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Buffalo, please tell me you're kidding. Your basing your unsubstaniated conclusions on a dot? AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
     
  22. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So illegals can cross the border, have their baby here and that child can be President.
    Ah yes, The Land of Opportunity.
     
  23. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Because His Father was on Duty, as a Serving American Officer, for the United States, and his mother was a Natural Born Citizen, so according to law, John McCain is a Natural Born Citizen, with full Birth Right.
     

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