“Proof” of Citizenship Required Vetting Process to Place Mother in Nursing Home

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  1. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Why hasn't Obama presented his Birth Certificate?

    It isn't a national state secret.

    It is proof of citizenship.


    http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_21627.shtml


    My Mother's Birth Certificate - And Obama's
    By Joan Swirsky
    MichNews.com
    Oct 23, 2008


    Four years ago, when I had just about completed the lengthy legal and financial vetting process required by the U.S. government to place my then-92-year-old-mother in a nursing home, I was asked to produce her birth certificate as “proof” of her citizenship. While she was born in America, had voted in every election for untold decades, and paid her taxes religiously, that wasn’t good enough to qualify my elderly mother –deaf, legally blind, and confined to a wheelchair – to be admitted to the facility I had chosen for her near my home.

    Frankly, I didn’t think finding my mother’s birth certificate was possible, given the fact that she had been born in a farmhouse in Storrs, CT, along with nine of her 10 siblings, to parents who didn’t speak English. Despairing that she would never be “qualified” to receive the care she desperately needed, I set about to find the document, which I was sure had vanished in the unreliable record-keeping of 1913......................................................................................................................

    When I called the third number, I explained to the woman who answered the phone that I was “asking something impossible.” I gave her my mother’s first name and her father’s last name.

    Within four minutes, she said, “Here it is!” She had found my mother’s birth certificate, and it surprised me when I learned my mother’s “real” first name and “real” last name had changed significantly as she and her family became Americanized.

    When I expressed my amazement, the woman said: “That’s nothing…we’re routinely asked to find birth certificates from the 1800s, and we do that all the time!”

    Total time it took me to find my mother’s 1913, born-in-a-farmhouse birth certificate: 10 minutes!
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    WHERE IS OBAMA’S?

    To this date, Barack Obama has refused – or been unable –to produce an authentic birth certificate that attests to the fact he is an American-born citizen. He has had more than the two-years of campaigning for the presidency of the United States to do this, but failed.
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    “Why is Barack Obama obstructing access to his birth records?” Martin asks. “Along with his obstructing access to college records and other essential information about his past? I want to see a certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii, not one issued by the State of Obama… Interestingly, we think we also know now why he has virtually imprisoned his white grandmother and refuses to allow her to appear in public?”
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    Andy Martin filed a suit in the Court of the First Circuit State of Hawaii (08-1-2147-10) against the Republican governor, Linda Lingle, and the director of the Department of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
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    “Why is Barack Obama obstructing access to his birth records?” Martin asks. “Along with his obstructing access to college records and other essential information about his past? I want to see a certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii, not one issued by the State of Obama…
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Who cares? All Americans are immigrants. And jus soli only applies to natives.
     
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  5. superstring01 Moderator

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    Well, I've yet to see anything that disproves he is a natural born citizen. The Congress is responsible for reviewing all presidential qualifications. He'll has either presented this proof already, or will have to do so before taking the oath.

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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Are US troops kids born overseas disqualified? Cos McCain was born in Coco Solo, Panama.
     
  8. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    BR,
    Debunked long ago. You can't win, so you want to take it on a technicality. So honorable.
     
  9. superstring01 Moderator

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    Yes. Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinis apply. My Grandfather, for example, was born overseas.

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  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thats hilarious. Can a native American run for President?
     
  11. superstring01 Moderator

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    Of course. There was a small movement to have Ben Nighthorse Campbell run for President. He was a pretty centrist guy (he even switched from Democrat to Republican during his last Senate term).

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  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Michelle Provides the Answers



    “He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner,” stated Michelle Obama…

    http://countusout.wordpress.com/200...-stop-him-obama-from-becoming-the-president”/

    Not so fast Michelle…

    This statement openly confirms Berg’s second foundation for asserting that Obama is not a U.S. citizen. He gave up any U.S. citizenship he might have once held when he was legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia. Obama’s Indonesian school records also confirm his status as the adopted son of Soetoro and a citizen of Indonesia.


    Indonesian law did not allow dual citizenship at that time, which means in order to become a citizen of Indonesia; Barry Obama (aka Barry Soetoro) had to give up his American citizenship. This is exactly what Berg asserted in his suit, which the Obama main stream press continues to cover up today.
     
  13. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    So you're saying the F.B.I, CIA, NSA, and Homeland security is allowing a foreingner to run for President of the United States? :crazy:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
     
  14. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    who the hell cares?
    if he is an american now who cares if for a time he wasnt. Futher more, from the exerts people have posted of that section of the constitution it doesnt actually seem to matter. As long as he IS a citizan and was born in the US it seems to be that he can run even if for a period he gave up that citizanship. It never says ANYTHING about continueas citizanship from birth to present
     
  15. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    If he's a American now, he would have to be naturalized, and there is no evidence of that, and the Constitution requires that you be a natural born citizen, and that you have never renounced your citizenship.

    By being adopted, and becoming a Citizen of Indonesia, he is no longer a American Citizen, and the true kicker is that under Indonesian law, it did not allow dual citizenship.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    would you like to quote the passage?
     
  17. superstring01 Moderator

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    This is a constitutional shade of grey. It would have to be fleshed out in courts, though Indonesian law would have no effect on the outcome.

    The questions would be: was he born a citizen and did he renounce that citizenship? If so, when did her re-naturalize. The fun thing would be, can he, even though having been born a citizen, renounced that citizenship and re-naturalized himself a citizen of the USA still become president.

    My guess is yes, because the part of the constitutional rule says nothing about what happened afterwards. As long as he was born one and is one when he gets elected, he's legal. IMHO.

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  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    That digitally scanned image is not his long form birth certificate, and that is the only proof of natural citizenship.

    This is from the high resolution image released by Obama:

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    Two things to note you can see the fold, the embossing from the fold is viable, and The Great Seal of Hawaii is not clear.

    State Documents have very clear and precise images, and this does not.

    In short, there is nothing in this copy to indicate that it is, in fact, a “certified copy.” As I have shown above, there is a whole lot of evidence that it is a manufactured copy. There certainly is a very strong motive for creating one.

    Here is what factcheck.org claims to be the raised seal, if you care to notice, there is no ink on the raised seal, it is clean.

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    and you can see a crease.

    By Law, a stamp signature is not legal for Federal or State legal documents, a written signature has to be in place for it to be a legal document.

    Written signatures help stop forgery.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2008
  19. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    There isn't one - he's full of shit again:

    That single sentence is the only qualification.
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    huh?
    that doesnt even make sence
    its behond vague, its irrevlivent. No one living would qualifiy for that if read at face value
     
  21. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, and again,

    "No person except a natural born citizen,"

    He hasn't provided proof of being natural born.

    And a stamped signature isn't legal as to certification of a Federal or State document.

    Anyone can make a stamp, and anyone can use a stamp, but only a signature in ink is legal for official documents, or a encrypted digital signature.

    Every Federal or State Document that I have, that has a stamped signature, is countersigned by a hand written signature, that is the requirement by law, with out it the document has no standing.

    And it still is not his long form birth certificat, that is the only legal document to prove legal natural born citizenship, or a Consular Report of Birth or FS-240
     
  22. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    No any person born in the United States after the adoption of the Constitution is eligible, read it again and pay attention to the commas, and semicolons.

    "No person except a natural born citizen,

    or a citizen of the United States,

    at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,

    shall be eligible to the office of President;

    neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

    The real Kings English.
     
  23. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Yes he has.
    I have to be honest, Buffalo, this really is a pitiful display.

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    You have stooped to a sad new low and I am ashamed for you.
     

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