repent, confess, exalt him or be forever damned
sinners! you have been warned

Up until this thread, I was really skeptical - I'll be it open-minded- about the existance of what we percieve to be "God." But key there is I was OPEN-MINDED, meaning I didn't rule it out.

But now, thanks to your reasoning, yoiu have proven to me that God exists! I mean look at your eloquent proofs!

"those who reject the word of god will burn in hell
repent, confess, exalt him or be forever damned
sinners! you have been warned"


I repent! :rolleyes:

Demons in Human Clothing

Originally posted by spookz
repent, confess, exalt him or be forever damned
sinners! you have been warned


Repent about what?

confess what? To whom?

exalt whom?

Why am I a sinner?

Be easy on yourself spookz.

I don't think that I'm guilty of anything that I should be confessing to a cosmic imaginary friend about.

Originally posted by SuperS32
Up until this thread, I was really skeptical

- I'll be it open-minded- about the existance of what we percieve to be "God." But key there is I was OPEN-MINDED, meaning I didn't rule it out.

But now, thanks to your reasoning, yoiu have proven to me that God exists! I mean look at your eloquent proofs!

"those who reject the word of god will burn in hell
repent, confess, exalt him or be forever damned
sinners! you have been warned"


I repent! :rolleyes:

what reasoning? what proofs? i was merely making threatening statements in order to put the fear of god unto you heathens
your obvious sarcasm indicates to me that you are very much a child of satan himself

Originally posted by Greco
Repent about what?

confess what? To whom?

exalt whom?

Why am I a sinner?

Be easy on yourself spookz.

your sins. to god
god
that is b/w you and god
i try but there are so many wayward souls i gotta bring before gods glory

Originally posted by Mystech
I don't think that I'm guilty of anything that I should be confessing to a cosmic imaginary friend about.

silly boy. homosexuality is an abomination before the lord god's eyes. on your knees please and beg forgiveness before it is too late. the end times are almost upon us and only those who repent will enter the kingdom of the almighty

Originally posted by Greco
Why am I a sinner?

shit almost forgot: men are born sinners cos of adam and eve

my favorite question (got it from a cheech and chong album) "if god is so powerful can he make a rock so big that he himself cannot lift it"

if god wishes to impose limitations on his weight lifting skills, it would be so

my favorite question (got it from a cheech and chong album) "if god is so powerful can he make a rock so big that he himself cannot lift it"

He did... Yourself! :(

Maybe Spookz is right. Maybe you should listen to the word of god, and not go against God. God is very powerful, it would be wise to do as he asks. That seems logical.

However God is not presently available for a written comment. Many of his spokesmen have put together a few ideas, but so far cannot agree on anything completely.

Some of you believe that you know which religion is the right one. You feel Gods presence in everything you do, God speaks to you. You have chosen the right 'path' either by choice, or have been raised into a particular faith that is obviously the right one. God is great, and has shown his word through prophets in a way that simple man can comprehend. You feel it is your obligation to share Gods gift to all who do not yet appreciate him. To help others is always noble. It is, it really is.



This next part of my text needs a leap of faith for some so please bear with me.



You feel Gods presence telling you which path (or religion) to take. You trust this as you trust all that is you. You make this choice, it is yours alone. You have many other options, but trust that this is the correct path. You must rely on YOUR feeling .

From all the religions, with all the very different concepts you could choose, you alone have picked it. Remember, you can change to something else at any time. God has given you the ability to make this decision. You trust your own ability to make this choice.

If you trust yourself to ‘choose’ the path, you should trust yourself to know Gods word.

He is there in your heart. You do not need a translator to tell you what he is saying. Open your sole and listen to it. Religion is not God.

To listen to God through another mere mortal is to push God away from you.

Therefore, listen to God. Do not listen to false prophets. Religion is false prophecy.

Spookz, are you ready yet to truly listen to Gods word?

yah
him and me are pretty tight

Originally posted by Jeremy
To listen to God through another mere mortal is to push God away from you.
but spookz is not mortal. he is infact archangel spookz..:D

Originally posted by spookz
silly boy. homosexuality is an abomination before the lord god's eyes. on your knees please and beg forgiveness before it is too late. the end times are almost upon us and only those who repent will enter the kingdom of the almighty

I plan to be on my knees plenty more times before I die, but never to apologies to God for not believing in him, and breaking his rules which are even more arbitrary and unfounded then most other laws of men. And if I happen to come before him for judgement when I die, I’ll still give him the finger. If he’d condemn me for the life I live, he’s still in the wrong.

Originally posted by spookz
shit almost forgot: men are born sinners cos of adam and eve

Spookz, you are going to hell. You need to pronounce that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior and get babtized. I agree we are all born sinners because many generations ago, someone ate an apple......It's a sin to eat apples, and I no longer eat apples.

Repent to your lord Jesus Christ who died on the cross for your sins....Wait, if he died for my sins, why should I repent....:confused:

Originally posted by spookz

i try but there are so many wayward souls i gotta bring before gods glory


And who made you the god's messenger?

Respect what you cannot see by respecting what you can. Oh and chill out...in the end it will not matter.

Now, go ask for forgiveness from Lord Shiva.

If God damns me to hell because I refused to cry out his name in reverence, then I say God is a self absorbed little shithead.

If you were a king, and you only gave farmland to those subjects who came to your castle and told you how great you were, and gave nothing (or killed) everyone else, what would that make you?

If we are created in God's image, then the logical rules that apply to us apply to him. If he wants praise, let him earn it. Threats only grant you the faith of the weak and frightened.


it is said that satan's best trick is to convinse the world that he doesn't exsist. I say his best trick is posing as god, and convinsing the world of the trickery.


edit: to say that not believing in God means that you believe in Satan reduces the power and glory of God. you are saying tht Satan encompases all that god is not, making Satan more powerfull than god himself. The idea better fits if it is said "Choosing anything but Satan is Choosing God" That Puts God (the omnipotent one in your belief) in the position of power, where he should be.

I do not choose Satan, I choose nothing. I act for the benifit of the most living being possible. If God damns me for that, then so be it. I'd do it anyway. I am at least trying to live up to Jesus's standards, and help other people, instead of myself!

Originally posted by river-wind
If God damns me to hell because I refused to cry out his name in reverence, then I say God is a self absorbed little shithead.


Ok. Let's try this out.

God puts river-wind in chains and deprive of food and drink and sleep and tells him, glorify me, riverwind says no.
God throws riverwind in the boiler room and makes him carry a pot of boiled water up and down stairs lined with thorns while he is barefooted. Riverwind is not allowed to die, just to exist in total agony. God asks again river-wind to glorify him, riverwind says No. God orders the skin of riverwind to burn and rejuvenate and burn and rejuvenate over and and over till eternity.....What would riverwind say.....

I say riverwind is kindda stupid.

Originally posted by Flores


I say riverwind is kindda stupid.

I think your own post answered the question of who is less intelligent.

Originally posted by Flores
Ok. Let's try this out.

God puts river-wind in chains and deprive of food and drink and sleep and tells him, glorify me, riverwind says no.
God throws riverwind in the boiler room and makes him carry a pot of boiled water up and down stairs lined with thorns while he is barefooted. Riverwind is not allowed to die, just to exist in total agony. God asks again river-wind to glorify him, riverwind says No. God orders the skin of riverwind to burn and rejuvenate and burn and rejuvenate over and and over till eternity.....What would riverwind say.....

I say riverwind is kindda stupid.



should I bow to him who torments me?

Originally posted by kajolishot
I think your own post answered the question of who is less intelligent.

Shut up, you don't know me. I'm playing devil advocate here, and riverwind knows it, so go stick your nose in another onion peel my friend.

Originally posted by river-wind
should I bow to him who torments me?

You are right, no you shouldn't bow, although I don't think you have a choice. So hell, if you don't bow, there is a hot iron bar that can make your neck bow automatically.

I know, this is stupid hypothetical crap, but view it that way, god is not tormenting you at all now, yet he have all the capability to torment you and do with you much much more. But he's not, he is leaving you alone to experience life for yourself, how do you feel about such a creator that is so good at giving respite?

Do you like to abuse respite and mock it and tell god you don't exist just because you're giving me a chance....Are you stupid enough to aggravate god just because he is giving you a chance.

Ok. Let's try this out.

God puts river-wind in chains and deprive of food and drink and sleep and tells him, glorify me, riverwind says no. God throws riverwind in the boiler room and makes him carry a pot of boiled water up and down stairs lined with thorns while he is barefooted. Riverwind is not allowed to die, just to exist in total agony. God asks again river-wind to glorify him, riverwind says No. God orders the skin of riverwind to burn and rejuvenate and burn and rejuvenate over and and over till eternity.....What would riverwind say.....


It would seam to me that this God is not as divinely good as everyone makes him out to be if he has to torcher his creations in such fashion.

One might also ask why does God desire such praise so badly? Some have said before a perfect being does not desire anything at all.

If riverwind was to bow what would that mean? Surely it wouldn't be sincere if it was simply to remove the agony of torcher.

Originally posted by Flores
You are right, no you shouldn't bow, although I don't think you have a choice. So hell, if you don't bow, there is a hot iron bar that can make your neck bow automatically.

I know, this is stupid hypothetical crap, but view it that way, god is not tormenting you at all now, yet he have all the capability to torment you and do with you much much more. But he's not, he is leaving you alone to experience life for yourself, how do you feel about such a creator that is so good at giving respite?

Do you like to abuse respite and mock it and tell god you don't exist just because you're giving me a chance....Are you stupid enough to aggravate god just because he is giving you a chance.

very good questions.

Am I in a period of respite? maybe. I have joy, so I would say yes. I have suffering, so I would say no. Overall, people seem to suffer more thant they have joy - those who suffer more in relation to the average often tend to have a better attitude towards life. IMO because if they didn't choose that better attitude, they would break, fail utterly.

My Dad agrees with you. He thinks we don't see miricles as much these days because God is a true Father, raising us as his children. There was a period (todler-age) where he ruled with an iron fist, told us what to do, and what not to do. Gave us rules to live by. Then as we as people aged (adolescent, teenager), he showed love, allowed us to make mistakes, and forgave us for them. We have now, as a human race, passed out of adolesence, and into adulthood. he has stepped back, and is allowing us to live fully. our suffering is caused by our own stupidity, but we have the chance to learn from our mistakes.

I think this makes sense. however, nowhere in there does the idea of eternal damnnation fit in. So when people spout the "you'll burn in hell!" thing, it doesn't make sense to me. if God loves infinantly, why would he allow uneducational torment? If Satan was cast out of Heaven, why would God provide him with souls to torment? It doesn't make sense based on the premiss of the Judeo-christina-muslim religeons.

Originally posted by Horseman42
It would seam to me that this God is not as divinely good as everyone makes him out to be if he has to torcher his creations in such fashion.


There is no seems ifs or buts here, a helpless creation doesn't question or judge it's creator. It trusts, submits, and persevere.

Originally posted by Flores
There is no seems ifs or buts here, a helpless creation doesn't question or judge it's creator. It trusts, submits, and persevere.

why are we helpless? aren't we made in God's image? can't we war and kill? live, die, create and destroy? Do you mean we are helpless in comperison to God himself, who can do everything?

Originally posted by river-wind
I think this makes sense. however, nowhere in there does the idea of eternal damnnation fit in. So when people spout the "you'll burn in hell!" thing, it doesn't make sense to me. if God loves infinantly, why would he allow uneducational torment? If Satan was cast out of Heaven, why would God provide him with souls to torment? It doesn't make sense based on the premiss of the Judeo-christina-muslim religeons.

I like your father, he's a smart man.

You are right, people should never spout the "you'll burn in hell". Simply because it doesn't sound just sincere or even justifiable when it come out of people mouth. Heaven and hell standards belong to god and when god makes his decision, it'll be just, mercifull, compassionate, and it will make sense to you then.

God forbid, riverwind, if you made the pure beautifull soul that god gave you disfunctional and dirty with your own hands, then god have designed you to send yourself to hell. If you lost your soul, then how could you find your way. If you trained your compass to point south instead of the north it was designed to point to, then your compass is a failed compass, and it will fail you at the end when you need it. On the other hand, if you have protected what gave you and tried to make it even purer, then you'll know it and you'll accept heaven for a reward. A person with a condemned soul would not recognize heaven even if he/she wanted to go to heaven, hell is the only place that would make sense to them.

My father tell me that hell is not a place were people are sent at the whim of god, it's a place that people earn and get closer to with every action, so is heaven.

Originally posted by Flores
I like your father, he's a smart man.

You are right, people should never spout the "you'll burn in hell". Simply because it doesn't sound just sincere or even justifiable when it come out of people mouth. Heaven and hell standards belong to god and when god makes his decision, it'll be just, mercifull, compassionate, and it will make sense to you then.

God forbid, riverwind, if you made the pure beautifull soul that god gave you disfunctional and dirty with your own hands, then god have designed you to send yourself to hell. If you lost your soul, then how could you find your way. If you trained your compass to point south instead of the north it was designed to point to, then your compass is a failed compass, and it will fail you at the end when you need it. On the other hand, if you have protected what gave you and tried to make it even purer, then you'll know it and you'll accept heaven for a reward. A person with a condemned soul would not recognize heaven even if he/she wanted to go to heaven, hell is the only place that would make sense to them.

My father tell me that hell is not a place were people are sent at the whim of god, it's a place that people earn and get closer to with every action, so is heaven.

beautiful words.

I hope that if I have a soul, helping others and attempting to assist people in their growth is what is needed to keep it pure. I do fear a little bit that by helping others escape suffering, I am preventing them from learning the lessons which God put in place for them to learn.
However, I cannot stop myself, it pains me too much to see other people suffering. I hope God forgives me, if he exsists, and I am in fact messing things up. 'Cause I ain't gonna change, unless I suddenly come to understand the whole plan. That's part of why I get so worked up over the much of what the Church does. I am an foolish idiot, and I can even see the bad alot of what it does creates. Maybe I'm wrong, but those in the church doing these things can't seem to explain how.

riverwind,
I'm so happy, Iwould cry. I bet you all others are puking at this.

Riverwind is to worry about riverwind. Do good for others so as to do good for riverwind. The object of your affection and improvement is riverwind and because of that you can love and do well to others, but first love riverwind.

Don't loose focus in your attempt to help others and forget about yourself. If you're not on the right tract, then how do you expect to show others the way. That's why if the only thing you can do is to put yourself in the right tract, then that's good enough.

As far as the church, I'm a muslim, and I really don't go to a religious establishment, but if a friend invited me to church to hear their son sing or whatever, I will go and I will support them. I just think that the church is not the path that I need to take in life.

I believe that our souls knows the right from wrong and right path in this life is straight and narrow. Remember from geometry that a straight line is shortest path to connect two points and the shortest path is the steepest path. The wrong path is comfortable and winding.

Flores, I wish you luck.

okay... okay okay okay okay enough.

i didn't read through all of the posts here because i am lazy (god gave me the right to be lazy so don't be upset)

beliefs are great yada yada yada but hear me out:

my post is about leadership, it's about being a good leader.
what are some qualities we attribute to them? independent, strong willed, mindful, caring, understanding, compassionate, they are there for us and answer all of our questions, help us when we are down, don't mind if we don't agree with them on everything because of how understanding they are right? listen to us, and tell their followers that there is nothing wrong with opinions and that there is nothing wrong with people that are different.. that is just what they are different.. not bad or good, better off or worse off... right or wrong.. just different.

i read all of this stuff about god punishing, condemning, being vengeful, that we should worship him and agree to everything he says and wants because of his "powers", especially that he was the one that created and therefore he can take away what he has given.. that if we don't worship we will be sinners and go to hell. now christians and all who believe in the god i am referring to please hear me,

would you take these from your leader? these qualities i mean, these actions, this type of reasoning? where in this world have we seen these qualities your god is displaying? look at a leader such as buddha, who flat out describes how we should not believe him just because of what he says but that we should investigate the truth for ourselves.

since when was a good leadership quality "instill fear among your followers"? i would never follow a leader i feared, rather one that i respected. since when is a leader's word final? don't we even vote in america? oh right.. hitler.. what he said went.. that didn't turn out too good no? and since when is a good leadership quality revenge as opposed to understanding and acceptance. "god is vengeful and powerful and has the power to send you to hell"? a good leader is like a good father or mother.. one that loves without any judgement (important word here), or any conditions. if you had a son who converted to a different religion would you condemn him to a life of... well.. hell? or would you try to understand him, be compassionate and let him know that it was alright.. that you loved him no matter what.. and that you aren't the one that makes his decisions for him, or makes him follow a set of rules he doesn't believe in.. but rather you encourage his journey and the knowledge he is gaining...

but then again everything i said could be wrong right? and god is understanding? as long as your praise him. god is compassionate. as long as you believe in him. god doesn't tell you that you have to believe in his writings, he gave you free will.. but use the free will to believe in another religion or not believe in him and you will go to hell for eternity.. yes...

everything is just dandy.

have a nice day. :)

you confuse me with your chit chat

do you repent for your sins? or not?

"Maybe this world is another planet's hell."
-Aldous Huxley

Originally posted by Flores
There is no seems ifs or buts here, a helpless creation doesn't question or judge it's creator. It trusts, submits, and persevere. I don't know about this. One day, we might be the helpless creators who trusts, submits, and persevere to our own creations: Computer AI.

It would be fun to imagine an Earth where the rulers are robots and machines and no trace of human, and all these happened before the 2nd comming.

Spookz, you sound like David Koresh. I believe you did more harm than good by your lack of tact in aprroaching this. I am a Christian, and am offended that you would preach a message of abomination rather than a message of love. God doesn't just exist to torcher those who don't believe in him, but thats what you make it sound like, and thats retarded. Half of the problem in the social perception of Christianity is that Chrisitanity is perceived by others through the actions of fallable men rather than through God. You are not helping.

Originally posted by daktaklakpak
It would be fun to imagine an Earth where the rulers are robots and machines and no trace of human, and all these happened before the 2nd comming.

"Morpheus: Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?" -The Matrix

Originally posted by Sonitus
Spookz, you sound like David Koresh. I believe you did more harm than good by your lack of tact in aprroaching this. I am a Christian, and am offended that you would preach a message of abomination rather than a message of love. God doesn't just exist to torcher those who don't believe in him, but thats what you make it sound like, and thats retarded. Half of the problem in the social perception of Christianity is that Chrisitanity is perceived by others through the actions of fallable men rather than through God. You are not helping.

he isn't too off though.. you are right though that the christians and not "god" himself creates many of the stereotypes or views of modern christianity.. but if we were even to disregard all of the people's beliefs like spookz.. we could simply flip through the pages of the bible and discover the same message... with different wording of course.. that god is vengeful and is willing to harm those who do not embrace him.. can't really change that.. unless somehow god decides to change the bible and say "i respect all other religions and the free will i gave you i will not punish you for using"

Originally posted by Sonitus
Spookz, you sound like David Koresh. I believe you did more harm than good by your lack of tact in aprroaching this. I am a Christian, and am offended that you would preach a message of abomination rather than a message of love.

Before Jesus, John - the baptist said the same words in severe tone..!

Originally posted by the sage
he isn't too off though.. you are right though that the christians and not "god" himself creates many of the stereotypes or views of modern christianity.. but if we were even to disregard all of the people's beliefs like spookz.. we could simply flip through the pages of the bible and discover the same message... with different wording of course.. that god is vengeful and is willing to harm those who do not embrace him.. can't really change that.. unless somehow god decides to change the bible and say "i respect all other religions and the free will i gave you i will not punish you for using"

Yes, I agree... the messages of abomination ARE there in the bible, but would you be more prone to hearing the entire message if you were told about love, or if you were told how bad of a person you are and that you are going to be torchered for all eternity. Not every Christian is a negative one, and I disregard anyone who puts themselves on a pedestal simply because they believe a certain way. Humilty, love, and being brotherly should be discussed here, instead of arrogance, ignorance, and maliciousness.

Originally posted by Sonitus
Yes, I agree... the messages of abomination ARE there in the bible, but would you be more prone to hearing the entire message if you were told about love, or if you were told how bad of a person you are and that you are going to be torchered for all eternity. Not every Christian is a negative one, and I disregard anyone who puts themselves on a pedestal simply because they believe a certain way. Humilty, love, and being brotherly should be discussed here, instead of arrogance, ignorance, and maliciousness.

well yes.. and no..
you see my point is not what i am more prone to hearing.. it is what is actually there.. like you said, the messages of abomination ARE there... meaning the vengeful-side and condemning of other religions and non acceptance that is taught to christians is there... i rest my case.

Originally posted by everneo
Before Jesus, John - the baptist said the same words in severe tone..!


It is counter productive to scare off someone and make them feel like an outsider, before they are even inside. The name of this thread is "Those who reject the word of God will burn in hell". That sounds enticing. If I was a non-believer reading that, I would have reacted the same as everyone else... With hostility, because that's how this thread was authored.

Originally posted by Sonitus
If I was a non-believer reading that, I would have reacted the same as everyone else... With hostility, because that's how this thread was authored.
non-believers would be hostile even to Jesus..:D

I'm a non-believer, but I'm not hostile towards Jesus. I think he was a cool guy. The Marketing Group who currently represents him, however, needs some spit and polish, to say the least.


edit: I know, I know, I see the :D :P

Originally posted by Sonitus
You are not helping.

pardon me. i only wanted to meet some new people. is that a sin?

Originally posted by spookz
pardon me. i only wanted to meet some new people. is that a sin?


You are pardoned. Yeah, thats a great way to meet people, tell them they are going to hell if they don't believe what you do. People like you give Christians a bad name, because you think you are higher and mightier than non-believers, and that is wrong. Jesus is about love, you should try to focus more on that rather than sounding like that albino dude on the movie Contact.

if you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN you would understand the infallibilty of my statement as it is the word of GOD HIMSELF! love will not save you if you do not accept god as your master!

contact and other movies are attempts by satan to deceive you

Originally posted by spookz

contact and other movies are attempts by satan to deceive you [/B]

spookz just on this point let me correct you (i am not christian but whatever i'll try)

contact and other movies were created by people (not satan sorry to shock you here so put on your seatbelts and hold on to your thongs)

people were created by god with something called free will!

so their free will created movies like contact!

satan created movies to deceive us :rolleyes:

Originally posted by the sage
satan created movies to deceive us

why thank you. my sentiments exactly. will you be my friend?

ps: edited quote to save on bandwidth and whatnot

Originally posted by spookz
if you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN you would understand the infallibilty of my statement as it is the word of GOD HIMSELF! love will not save you if you do not accept god as your master!

contact and other movies are attempts by satan to deceive you
_______

The book Contact was a sincere effort by a scientist named Carl Sagan to teach children how important Science can be.

There was no deception on his part.

The only deception is on the part of Christians who refuse to abandon their worship of a man who had conversations with invisible demons - whom we would laugh at today as being mentally ill, not worship -
and try to recruit new people into their End of the World religion.