View Full Version : the solution to everything: suicide


Yorda
06-24-08, 02:52 PM
suicide is the only thing that solves everything (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1906206&postcount=8), because it makes everything disappear into nothing (death).

clusteringflux
06-24-08, 03:00 PM
Liar

Syzygys
06-24-08, 03:05 PM
I agree, but you go first...

cosmictraveler
06-24-08, 03:05 PM
It doesn't stop the pain that your friends and relatives that you leave behind will have. It also doesn't take care of your children, pets, house, car, loans, and various other stuff that you have left behind.

draqon
06-24-08, 03:08 PM
Yorda...show us the way.

shedevilx
06-24-08, 03:29 PM
it's available for around 5k euros in Switzerland if anyone's inquiring

spidergoat
06-24-08, 03:33 PM
Ice cream works better.

draqon
06-24-08, 03:34 PM
Life works better, no guilt, no remorse...it will come surely.

Enmos
06-24-08, 03:34 PM
suicide is the only thing that solves everything, because it makes everything disappear into nothing (death).

A solution for what ?

draqon
06-24-08, 03:35 PM
A solution for what ?

to escape all problems.

They seem to pile up...

And I can't seem to win

So now I will go and die...

I cannot wait any longer

Enmos
06-24-08, 03:36 PM
to escape all problems.

They seem to pile up...

And I can't seem to win

The problems still exist, he just doesn't know it anymore.
He will also never know that he is now free of those problems.

draqon
06-24-08, 03:36 PM
The problems still exist, he just doesn't know it anymore.
He will also never know that he is now free of those problems.

I never did condemn or endorse a suicide. Whoever chooses it, its their free will.

http://www.digitalflowerpictures.com/images/x128/Blue%20Passion%20flower%20web.jpg


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/253586970_3477573a77.jpg?v=0

spidergoat
06-24-08, 03:41 PM
Ben and Jerry's Coffee Heath Toffee Crunch is the solution to all our problems. Possibly also the Cookie Dough.

draqon
06-24-08, 04:02 PM
Ben and Jerry's Coffee Heath Toffee Crunch is the solution to all our problems. Possibly also the Cookie Dough.

lol...Godiva is a solution and HaagenDazs :p

shorty_37
06-24-08, 04:21 PM
Never bought ben and jerrys or HaagenDazs it's so dam expensive for a little container.
Am I really missing out or what?

Tnerb
06-24-08, 04:23 PM
suicide is the only thing that solves everything, because it makes everything disappear into nothing (death).

This is not exactly true.

There is a correction or two to be made as has been pointed out. The only thing it solves is release into the unknown.


That would make it a solution to nothing. In our lives we are condemned to exist. This does not mean that it would solve everything if we died, think about if we get reborn? Do you know how much stuff is written about re-birth? What if you get reborn? What if the only thing that solves everything is to just be happy and peaceful?
What if the only thing that solves everything is none of the above?

spidergoat
06-24-08, 04:25 PM
Never bought ben and jerrys or HaagenDazs it's so dam expensive for a little container.
Am I really missing out or what?

Yeah, you must be poor!

draqon
06-24-08, 04:25 PM
Never bought ben and jerrys or HaagenDazs it's so dam expensive for a little container.
Am I really missing out or what?

ummm...forget ben and jerrys...


but listen shorty, HaagenDazs is worth it. Buy it, the big jar of it.

shorty_37
06-24-08, 04:29 PM
Yeah, you must be poor!

Ha! not quite in the poor house yet :p I have seen these itty bitty containers for like 6.99+

I usually buy Breyers.

draqon
06-24-08, 04:29 PM
Seriosly shorty, buy the big Haagen Dazs

spidergoat
06-24-08, 04:30 PM
I'm kind of kidding. I don't eat ice cream too much, but when I do it's the good stuff...

shorty_37
06-24-08, 04:30 PM
Seriosly shorty, buy the big Haagen Dazs

Ok I will but I am going to have to hide from the kids, or it will be GONE!
What flavour?

draqon
06-24-08, 04:33 PM
Ok I will but I am going to have to hide from the kids, or it will be GONE!
What flavour?

cherry and chocolate

or

coffee

draqon
06-24-08, 04:34 PM
I'm kind of kidding. I don't eat ice cream too much, but when I do it's the good stuff...

tried Godiva ice-cream?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_H6wsLa8Bvak/Ruy7YmREFmI/AAAAAAAAAs8/F_0amRlHKnM/s400/banner_ice_1.jpg

shorty_37
06-24-08, 04:35 PM
No but I have tried the chocolates. How much is that 20.00 lol

draqon
06-24-08, 04:37 PM
No but I have tried the chocolates. How much is that 20.00 lol

I dunno...Canada prices are steep...travel to Detroit to buy it. :p

spidergoat
06-24-08, 04:41 PM
I usually go for the soy ice cream actually.

shorty_37
06-24-08, 04:47 PM
I usually go for the soy ice cream actually.

What's that taste like? I haven't even tried the soya milk. For some reason I got in in my head that it tastes awful.

spidergoat
06-24-08, 05:05 PM
I prefer it to milk products, I'm not even lactose intolerant.

draqon
06-24-08, 05:06 PM
yeah I tried soy icecream, the only reason I dont buy it is because it is rare to find...but yeah it is awesome, usually Korean stores sell it

q0101
06-24-08, 05:19 PM
it's available for around 5k euros in Switzerland if anyone's inquiring

5000 Euros to kill yourself! That is ridiculous! I would be interested in the idea of using a suicide service to end my life if I didnít have a gun, but I could never spend 5000 Euros. I would be willing to pay 1000 Euros for the privilege of having a peaceful death. Switzerland should legalize the sale of human organs, because that would allow people to use the service for free. A suicide service would be useful for anyone that does not have easy access to guns. A bullet to the head is the best way to go, because the death will always be quick and painless if the gun is positioned in the right place. There are many people in the world that have to experience the terror of falling to their death (or injury) from a bridge or a building. Some people have to experience the sadness of slowly drifting into unconsciousness after they have severed an artery or swallowed some pills.

This is a general idea of the service that I would like to use for a reasonable price.

The death could take place in a room where the person will have access to various things like a comfortable chair, a large television, and a good sound system with a large variety of music. Depressive narcotics like opiates or alcohol could be given to the person to calm their nerves. The person would then initiate the death process by pushing a button. The machine that causes the death should be something that quickly stops all of the electrical activity in the brain. It could be something like a TMS machine or an instrument that would have the same affect of a large caliber bullet entering the brain.

draqon
06-24-08, 05:22 PM
just eat the ice-cream. For 1000 euros...you can get more then hundred huge Haagen Dazs' ice-cream.

shedevilx
06-24-08, 05:34 PM
5000 Euros to kill yourself! That is ridiculous! I would be interested in the idea of using a suicide service to end my life if I didn’t have a gun, but I could never spend 5000 Euros. I would be willing to pay 1000 Euros for the privilege of having a peaceful death.

yea, its still expensive, but price should drop soon, as the market grows..

lots from Britain floaded,

they call them "suicide tourists" lol

spidergoat
06-24-08, 05:59 PM
yeah I tried soy icecream, the only reason I dont buy it is because it is rare to find...but yeah it is awesome, usually Korean stores sell it

It's common here in the organic section of the supermarket.

skaught
06-24-08, 06:11 PM
5000 Euros to kill yourself! That is ridiculous! I would be interested in the idea of using a suicide service to end my life if I didnít have a gun, but I could never spend 5000 Euros. I would be willing to pay 1000 Euros for the privilege of having a peaceful death. Switzerland should legalize the sale of human organs, because that would allow people to use the service for free. A suicide service would be useful for anyone that does not have easy access to guns. A bullet to the head is the best way to go, because the death will always be quick and painless if the gun is positioned in the right place. There are many people in the world that have to experience the terror of falling to their death (or injury) from a bridge or a building. Some people have to experience the sadness of slowly drifting into unconsciousness after they have severed an artery or swallowed some pills.

This is a general idea of the service that I would like to use for a reasonable price.

The death could take place in a room where the person will have access to various things like a comfortable chair, a large television, and a good sound system with a large variety of music. Depressive narcotics like opiates or alcohol could be given to the person to calm their nerves. The person would then initiate the death process by pushing a button. The machine that causes the death should be something that quickly stops all of the electrical activity in the brain. It could be something like a TMS machine or an instrument that would have the same affect of a large caliber bullet entering the brain.

Sodium pantethol, or some other anesthetic in a very large dose. Or hell, just give them a huge dose of heroin!

shedevilx
06-24-08, 06:26 PM
i think its maybe designed to be expensive and not easily accessible, as otherwise every drunkhead would do just that

q0101
06-24-08, 07:02 PM
Sodium pantethol, or some other anesthetic in a very large dose. Or hell, just give them a huge dose of heroin!

The problem with injecting or ingesting toxic substances is the fact that the death can be just as terrifying as jumping from a high place. The death process takes too long. Anything longer than a second is enough time for the person to have regrets and experiene fear and sadness. Most people that are suicidal donít really want to die. They just want an escape from the physical or psychological pain that they have to live with everyday. Reaching the point of no return has to a terrifying experience for someone that doesn't want to die. I am talking about the point where the person can feel the toxic chemicals following through their bloodstream and they know that they are seconds away from death. There is no way that I would spend 1000 Ė 5000 euros to have a final moment of terror before I die. And if it is legal to give suicidal people a massive dose of heroin, why not just create pleasure centres where people can use narcotics safely. People could use the drugs in a comfortable environment, and doctors could prescribe the ideal dosage to avoid negative side effects like addiction.

cosmictraveler
06-24-08, 07:06 PM
Say, there's a law against suicide also , so if you try it and fail, they will put you away for a very long time in a special place in solitary confinement.

Carcano
06-24-08, 07:07 PM
suicide is the only thing that solves everything, because it makes everything disappear into nothing (death).

Thats what Stalin said...problems are only created by people.

cosmictraveler
06-24-08, 07:08 PM
Thats what Stalin said...problems are only created by people.

So he mass murdered 30 million of them! :mad:

DeepThought
06-24-08, 07:09 PM
suicide is the only thing that solves everything, because it makes everything disappear into nothing (death).


The miracle of death.

Suicide not a necessary prerequisite.

Yorda
06-24-08, 07:14 PM
Life is eternal rebirth. Nonexistence does not exist.


I agree, but you go first...

No, I don't believe in that. I believe in eternal reincarnation. There is no solution to everything, because it's nothing.


It doesn't stop the pain that your friends and relatives that you leave behind will have. It also doesn't take care of your children, pets, house, car, loans, and various other stuff that you have left behind.

yes, but that's just because they haven't solved everything yet.


The problems still exist, he just doesn't know it anymore.

i can't live without you: the universe can't exist without you.

everything would disappear if you would, but you never will.


He will also never know that he is now free of those problems.

if i don't exist, i'm free of everything. i'm completely free... i can do exactly what i want. nothing limits me.

cosmictraveler
06-24-08, 07:17 PM
yes, but that's just because they haven't solved everything yet.

And without YOU they will have a very hard time trying to cope with their lives when your gone.

EmptyForceOfChi
06-24-08, 08:15 PM
That would just pass on your suffering to your loved ones who haveto live with the fact that your a pussy. (not directed at yorda, but anyone who commits suicide)

The cycle of suffering is a trickle down effect, passing it onto innocent loved ones in my opinion means you are very selfish, also a coward to boot.


peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
06-24-08, 08:16 PM
This is like saying "to fix all global problems lets blow up the earth".


peace.

cosmictraveler
06-24-08, 08:17 PM
This is like saying "to fix all global problems lets blow up the earth".


peace.

Earth-a-cide! I like it! :cool:

EmptyForceOfChi
06-24-08, 08:29 PM
Earth-a-cide! I like it! :cool:

Sounds like a good product, doesent matter what it does lets market it!.

peace.

cosmictraveler
06-24-08, 08:35 PM
Shall it be a aerosol spray or liquid?

Yorda
06-24-08, 08:43 PM
This is like saying "to fix all global problems lets blow up the earth".

yeah, blowing up the earth wouldn't solve anything, it would just "solve" the global problems, it wouldn't solve the Universal problems, and since the universe is infinite, there is no end to "problems", and there is no end to life.

to solve the universal problems we would have to destroy the emptyforce which creates the universe from nothing, and it can't be destroyed, because it's empty so there's nothing to destroy.

cosmictraveler
06-24-08, 08:48 PM
Let us destroy "nothing" then! :cool:

Randwolf
06-24-08, 08:52 PM
i think its maybe designed to be expensive and not easily accessible, as otherwise every drunkhead would do just that

Which is better, ingestion or injection?

shedevilx
06-24-08, 09:02 PM
Which is better, ingestion or injection?

i dunno, i haven't tried

i would recon most romantic suicide would be is to jump from the plain, no ??

at least you could fly for a while : D and a pretty good success rate

i think the most ugly ones is when they hung themselves "yuk"

Enmos
06-25-08, 06:54 AM
Say, there's a law against suicide also , so if you try it and fail, they will put you away for a very long time in a special place in solitary confinement.

Maybe that will solve his problems though..

Enmos
06-25-08, 06:57 AM
i can't live without you: the universe can't exist without you.

everything would disappear if you would, but you never will.
Sigh.. not solipsism again.
But if you want to view it that way, killing yourself would be hugely evil. You would be killing off the entire universe together with you.


if i don't exist, i'm free of everything. i'm completely free... i can do exactly what i want. nothing limits me.
No, you can't do anything because you don't exist.

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 06:57 AM
Shall it be a aerosol spray or liquid?

maybe it could be both, a dual canister.


peace.

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 06:58 AM
Duality, I like it...reminds me of physics somehow.

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 07:05 AM
yeah, blowing up the earth wouldn't solve anything, it would just "solve" the global problems, it wouldn't solve the Universal problems, and since the universe is infinite, there is no end to "problems", and there is no end to life.

to solve the universal problems we would have to destroy the emptyforce which creates the universe from nothing, and it can't be destroyed, because it's empty so there's nothing to destroy.

yes the empty force cannot be destroyd I dont think, but anyway everything is only a problem depending on your viewpoint and attitude towards suffering. maybe instead of trying to change your existence and cease it you could change your outlook and live with it?.

Study "the four noble truths" maybe that will help you, Suffering is a challenge to overcome, also it makes you respect life moreonce you have overcome the problem. I dont think we would be very productive or interesting if evrything was easy. life would get boring and taken for granted all too easily I think. Death cycles are needed for change to occur, also I think Love is shown at its highest form when somebody close to us is suffering badly, you realise how greatly you love somebod when they are gone inturn that makes you cherish moments with others you have left more.

I do believe deep down that good comes from bad alot of the time, it may take harm to show love, or suffering to bring out compassion.


peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 07:06 AM
Duality, I like it...reminds me of physics somehow.

=] Reminds me of philosophy.

peace.

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 07:09 AM
it may take harm to show love,

I'd think it would take love to show love not harm. That really makes no sense to me. I'll beat you until you love me! :(

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 07:19 AM
I'd think it would take love to show love not harm. That really makes no sense to me. I'll beat you until you love me! :(

No I dont mean it as "if I hurt you I love you more" I mean If for some reason one of your family members is lying half dead in a hospital ed "harmed" it will make you realise howmuch you love them and do not wish for them to die. where as if they were healthy that level of loe would not have came out.

or if you know somebody is poorly you would maybe call them alot more and show more affection towards them if they were fine.

im talking opposites, yin and yang balence, the more somebody is hurt the more compassion you show.


peace.

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 07:20 AM
Oh, OK , thanks for clearing that up.:cool:

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 07:22 AM
Oh, OK , thanks for clearing that up.:cool:

lol No problem, I imagined a guy shooting somebody in the legs and saying "I only did it because I care"


peace.

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 07:23 AM
I remember my dad beating me with his belt saying "I'm only doing this because I love you"! :eek:

Enmos
06-25-08, 07:24 AM
I remember my dad beating me with his belt saying "I'm only doing this because I love you"! :eek:

Wtf ? :(

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 07:29 AM
Yes, sad but true, he'd come home and just like to beat the shit out of me and mum. I'll never forget when he said that when he beat me , it was rather weird but at 4 years old there was little I could do about it.

Enmos
06-25-08, 07:30 AM
Yes, sad but true, he'd come home and just like to beat the shit out of me and mum. I'll never forget when he said that when he beat me , it was rather weird but at 4 years old there was little I could do about it.

What an asshole.
Do you still have a relationship with him ?

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 07:34 AM
What an asshole.
Do you still have a relationship with him ?

He was murdered when I was 5 years old.

Enmos
06-25-08, 07:35 AM
He was murdered when I was 5 years old.

Oh.. I'm sorry man :(

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 07:38 AM
In a way I missed him but my mum was getting beat up pretty bad so I don't think she missed him that much. She was black and blue when he punched her. I really didn't understand why he did that to us but I guess it was his way of expressing "love".?:shrug:

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 07:40 AM
It sounds like karma was working a double shift, Im sorry you lost your father but no good man would do hat o his spouse and child, maybe it worked out for the best.


peace.

Enmos
06-25-08, 07:42 AM
In a way I missed him but my mum was getting beat up pretty bad so I don't think she missed him that much. She was black and blue when he punched her. I really didn't understand why he did that to us but I guess it was his way of expressing "love".?:shrug:

He was just messed up probably.

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 07:43 AM
In a way I missed him but my mum was getting beat up pretty bad so I don't think she missed him that much. She was black and blue when he punched her. I really didn't understand why he did that to us but I guess it was his way of expressing "love".?:shrug:

Its sad, It was his way of expressing his anger at whateverit was he is so mad about. Its a shame when troubled people take out there problems on the people who love them. A father should protect his family from harm not inflict it.


peace.

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 07:44 AM
He was an alcoholic I found out later from mum.

Lemming
06-25-08, 08:24 AM
suicide is the only thing that solves everything (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1906206&postcount=8), because it makes everything disappear into nothing (death).

That would make the person commiting suicide a big coward!!

You should face your problems head on....not run from them

EmptyForceOfChi
06-25-08, 08:31 AM
He was an alcoholic I found out later from mum.

people are usualy alcoholics due to proems they have trouble dealing with, in a way to drown there sorrows. im sorry you had to go throuh that man.


peace.

Yorda
06-25-08, 09:34 AM
i created this thread because i wanted to understand how those-who-believe-in-death think (i think suicide actually solves nothing), but this was a really stupid thread, no one undestand what i mean, so i lock it.

http://www.sciforums.com/images/statusicon/thread_lock.gif

Enmos
06-25-08, 11:04 AM
i created this thread because i wanted to understand how those-who-believe-in-death think (i think suicide actually solves nothing), but this was a really stupid thread, no one undestand what i mean, so i lock it.

http://www.sciforums.com/images/statusicon/thread_lock.gif

Of course no one understands what you're on about if your opening argument is the complete opposite if what you actually think.


suicide is the only thing that solves everything, because it makes everything disappear into nothing (death).

draqon
06-25-08, 11:22 AM
i created this thread because i wanted to understand how those-who-believe-in-death think (i think suicide actually solves nothing), but this was a really stupid thread, no one undestand what i mean, so i lock it.

http://www.sciforums.com/images/statusicon/thread_lock.gif

If you want others to understand what you mean, make yourself understand what you mean first.

Syzygys
06-25-08, 01:05 PM
so i lock it.

...and I with my ultimate power, unlock it.

fadingCaptain
06-25-08, 01:27 PM
alternate 3-step solution to everything: 1. smoke crack 2. pack fudge 3. worship satan.

Yorda
06-25-08, 01:46 PM
But if you want to view it that way, killing yourself would be hugely evil. You would be killing off the entire universe together with you.

you're wrong... if the entire universe disappeared, all problems would disappear. we would all be in Heaven (nonexistence).

nothing can be better than nothing.


In a way I missed him

my dad is dead too. but i don't miss him, even though he was a good person.

i'm a buddhist so i can't have any feelings.

draqon
06-25-08, 01:48 PM
alternate 3-step solution to everything: 1. smoke crack 2. pack fudge 3. worship satan.

why worship satan?

draqon
06-25-08, 01:49 PM
...and I with my ultimate power, unlock it.

the ultimate solution to everything is to unlock something, to revive it, to re-make it, in other words...the ultimate solution to everything is to repeat it...recycle.

A cyclic universe bears the same cyclic tendencies within it (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/music/www/Amarr002.mp3).

http://www.runningriver.org/exponent-0.96.3/files/imagemanagermodule/@random45a26b36f092c/Nature1.jpg

Enmos
06-25-08, 01:53 PM
you're wrong... if the entire universe disappeared, all problems would disappear. we would all be in Heaven (nonexistence).

nothing can be better than nothing.

Fine.. what are you waiting for ?

cosmictraveler
06-25-08, 01:53 PM
my dad is dead too. but i don't miss him, even though he was a good person.

i'm a buddhist so i can't have any feelings.

Sorry to hear about your dad. As for not having any feelings because of your "belief" I think that you really do have feelings for him but are suppressing them for your own reasons. That's your own business and I just hope that you would one day be able to express what you feel instead of just forgetting about it. As I stated , I did like my dad but when he beat the shit out of me or my mom I didn't understand what he did it for because I was just to young to realize that he was drunk when he did that and wasn't drunk when he treated me with much love and kindness. :)

Yorda
06-25-08, 01:59 PM
Fine.. what are you waiting for ?

eternal reincarnation and life


Sorry to hear about your dad. As for not having any feelings because of your "belief" I think that you really do have feelings for him but are suppressing them for your own reasons.

i only have feelings for god. god is the opposite sex.

draqon
06-25-08, 02:10 PM
eternal reincarnation and life

refer to post #83 (by me)


god is the opposite sex.

God has no sex associated with it. God is eternal, God is part of us and we are part of God, God is everything if you could ever see everything to know, but then you would be God.

Steve100
06-25-08, 02:54 PM
Life works better, no guilt, no remorse...it will come surely.

How would you feel these things when you are dead?
Unless you beleive in an afterlife.

Enmos
06-25-08, 02:55 PM
eternal reincarnation and life

You could always kill yourself and be free, as per your other thread.

visceral_instinct
06-25-08, 05:15 PM
Ice cream works better.

No no no, 20x Red Bull would be a cool way to kill yourself.

Though you might just puke after the first 8 or so.

I think the coolest way to die would be on the downhill track (I'm talking about mountain biking). A crash while doing upwards of 30mph. That'd be cool.

draqon
06-25-08, 05:18 PM
How would you feel these things when you are dead?
Unless you beleive in an afterlife.

I do believe in afterlife. However I believe in much more then afterlife. I believe that I will be or was once you and you will be me...I will be/was everything that has consciousness.

Yorda
06-25-08, 08:01 PM
You could always kill yourself and be free, as per your other thread.

huh? i don't become free by killing myself. i don't become free of everything. i don't disappear. i just go to heaven, and then back to earth.

Reiku
06-25-08, 09:46 PM
All observers need to die, before such a claim is made. So, Yorda, whilst many things you do state, i have to add, the death of your life is not sufficient. We would need to remove all ''intelligent life in the universe,'' to make the universe devoid in the sense you propose... one i share, as you already know.. one in fact shared by thousands of scientists i am sure.