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vx220
09-26-06, 06:26 PM
in light of my observations of fundamental spacetimemassenergy relations i have decided to write a story of a lifetime of a photon.

a photon moves at what we observe as the speed of light. in its own reference frame, relative to anything with rest mass > 0, the "depth" - distance in the direction of observed movement contracts to 0. time also dilates to 0 according to relativity. which tells us that the photon moves in its own frame at an indetermined velocity - 0/0. what actually happens is that for our photon time is substituted with "depth" and time is not experienced at all. which means a photon experiences depth as we do time. it moves through depth (forwards) at fixed speed as we do through time. that means photons experience 2 space dimensions and depth as time. these 2 dimensions of space it experiences are at a right angle to the "depth" or direction of movement.

so, a photon experiences space as we do when we look straight out the window at the side of a moving train. imagine that the window is very(infitesimaly) narrow, but extends over the roof to the narrow window on the otherside of the train. you simply see stuff(trees, hills, other trains) appear and disappear through the very narrow window as the train moves. the train moving is the photon moving through space - which it experiences as passage of time. it's a pretty sad way to exist isn't it? from a photons point of view, stuff appears and disappears for no apparent reason and it can not see forward so it never knows when it will hit something.

but something magical happens. a photon runs into another photon which in our space seems to move along the same vector in the opposite direction, just a little bit displaced so they just miss each other. the two photons can't see each other coming, they can't see nothing coming it's like seeing into the future for them. but the very instant they are side by side they see each other out the "narrow side window". if they are near enough, their gravity which also only works/emanates at a right angle out of this "narrow side window" locks them together into something we entities with mass would observe as an orbit.

that is the moment when magic happened. our photon started going in very small circles - it started to orbit. now, when looking at the side window as it orbits it sees everything around it. and as it completes each orbit it notices how everything around it moves around and changes instead of appearing and disappearing. it can now also notice the velocity of these objects it sees by counting the number of revolutions around its new orbit.

so, our little photon gained a new dimension. it also changed its state from energy to mass.

Pete
09-26-06, 07:45 PM
Hi vx220,
I like your style.

Vern
09-27-06, 05:45 AM
vx220; and I guess you also see that your photon now experiences relativity phenomena when it is in its orbital state. Its speed and shape are related to the speed of light and its time ticks as counted by its orbital cycles must change with speed. A fellow named Lorentz came up with a set of transformation equations to show just exactly how the changes worked.

You are not alone if you suspect that the universe is comprised only of electromagnetic activity. I have suspected that for many years and have found a bunch of others who also suspect that. The only big hang up with the idea that I have found so far is that it can't explain the existance of a neutrino particle.

Vern (http://photontheory.com/)

cato
09-27-06, 06:11 AM
one of the best post I have seen in a while, bravo vx220, bravo.

I am not so sure you are right, but thats another issue =]

vx220
09-27-06, 06:45 AM
it would be also reasonable to propose that as energy turns into mass and jumps out of 3d reality into 4d reality, that a similar process is involved in the manifestation of a photon.

these basic entities would exist only within their designated 2d plane. they would "exert" gravity at a right angle to their path within the 2d plane. so the basic entity would move along a line in a 2d plane and "exert" gravity on everything that it "sees through the narrow window fo the train" similar to the photon story. only the window would not only be narrow it would also be infinitely small in height allowing view only into the 2d plane. it would have two windows looking at oposite sides at a right angle to its path. the 'view' would simply be a dot, on either side. now, it would be interesting if they didnt exert "gravity" on either side through the dot, but perhaps a "repulsive" gravity one side and an "attractive" gravity on the other. which would actually describe it as disturbance in space. space coordinates within its 2d plane would be sucked in at one side of the line and pumped out at the other side of the line as it moves through its 2d plane.

if as proposed, two of these entites would start orbiting around each other within the 2d plane, they would become something like a photon - massless particles. depending on the way they pair up the orbit if they have +/- gravity on the inside or the outside we could get charge along with gravity or something like that.. i have not really thought yet of how to explaine the nature of why some particles are charged but this may be able to explain it.
this would of course imply that massless particles already have charge potential which starts to manifest as a field in 3d just as gravity does - as they turn into particles with mass.

vx220
09-27-06, 07:04 AM
it is definitely difficult to think outside the box.. mind melting...

obviously, there is nothing stopping mass becoming something even stranger by gaining another dimension through some kind of similar orbit action which is impossible to imagine but nevertheless a possibility. mass would essentialy gain inertia in the time dimension or something like that. which would allow it to accelerate and deccelerate through time as mass gains this ability through space - when forming from energy.
instead of moving through time at a constant rate we gain the possibility to move through it and see it like we do in space.
weirdness..
however, the nature of things is, we can never influence or see into the "last" dimension. objects with mass can not see into the future. massless particles can not see into depth, they experience depth. and our premassless particles can't really see much of anything except two little dots, heh.
so we couldnt care less about the 5th dimension as to interact with it would require us to change our state as mass into something else and that, as we see from the 2d->3d and 3d->4d stories, would require that something we can not see(we cant see into future as photons cant see depth) interacts with us and an "orbit" is created in the time plane.

LaidBack
09-30-06, 02:36 AM
in light of my observations of fundamental spacetimemassenergy relations i have decided to write a story of a lifetime of a photon.

a photon moves at what we observe as the speed of light. in its own reference frame, relative to anything with rest mass > 0, the "depth" - distance in the direction of observed movement contracts to 0. time also dilates to 0 according to relativity. which tells us that the photon moves in its own frame at an indetermined velocity - 0/0. what actually happens is that for our photon time is substituted with "depth" and time is not experienced at all. which means a photon experiences depth as we do time. it moves through depth (forwards) at fixed speed as we do through time. that means photons experience 2 space dimensions and depth as time. these 2 dimensions of space it experiences are at a right angle to the "depth" or direction of movement.

so, a photon experiences space as we do when we look straight out the window at the side of a moving train. imagine that the window is very(infitesimaly) narrow, but extends over the roof to the narrow window on the otherside of the train. you simply see stuff(trees, hills, other trains) appear and disappear through the very narrow window as the train moves. the train moving is the photon moving through space - which it experiences as passage of time. it's a pretty sad way to exist isn't it? from a photons point of view, stuff appears and disappears for no apparent reason and it can not see forward so it never knows when it will hit something.

but something magical happens. a photon runs into another photon which in our space seems to move along the same vector in the opposite direction, just a little bit displaced so they just miss each other. the two photons can't see each other coming, they can't see nothing coming it's like seeing into the future for them. but the very instant they are side by side they see each other out the "narrow side window". if they are near enough, their gravity which also only works/emanates at a right angle out of this "narrow side window" locks them together into something we entities with mass would observe as an orbit.

that is the moment when magic happened. our photon started going in very small circles - it started to orbit. now, when looking at the side window as it orbits it sees everything around it. and as it completes each orbit it notices how everything around it moves around and changes instead of appearing and disappearing. it can now also notice the velocity of these objects it sees by counting the number of revolutions around its new orbit.

so, our little photon gained a new dimension. it also changed its state from energy to mass.

:bugeye: First of all may I ask when does an electron become a photon?

I ask this so that your research to answer this question will lead you to radio Transmission, which is much the same as light transmision only the frequencies are much lower when we transmit radio waves.

What we should also note is electron flow is nowhere near the speed of light in a medium of near vacuum and or where all mass is near unity, try and picture an electron leaving the arial morphing to a photon in such a medium so that all observers hundreds of thousands of Kilometers away no matter where they were or moved to they still recieved the signal or Light.

let me interject the following to clarify what my research has led me to reason on what really happens..

A charge treated as a field recieves an increase in charge exerted to it, the charge concedes and is compressed and hence increases in potentail, and in order to regain whatever unity it can muster, it exerts its newly increased potential to all other neighboring fields and or charges and if we follow this rise and fall of charge and or force it would be propagated in an outward manner.

Now if we take each charge and or fields area into consideration we should note that a field that has been allowed to gain near unity would have a huge span, so when it transferes an increase in charge or potential to it great distances can effortlessly be realized and because of this great distances it would give reason for hefty velocities must be involved, but we must note if the same field was compressed to a tiny area of mass pertained as a solid - Propagation and or "electron flow" would be still at quite a considerable velocity but no where near the speed when the medium is gasious and or near vacuum.

Having expressed the above we can explain how our eyes safely detect whats going on, but if we go back to the use of the photon do you think we can still safely use a photon once it strikes our eyes and at what speed? :confused:

vx220
09-30-06, 07:55 AM
you are understanding this in a wrong way. a photon does not HIT our eyes. our eyes are made of atoms that are mostly empty space, but do not feel as such due to electromagnetic forces which do distance them. futhermore, i think that nucleon particles are also mostly empty space and so on.
a photon enters this empty space and begins its "attractive" interaction with electrons. wavelength of the EM radition cleary describes photon movement. short wavelengths will move quite violently through the space of the atom, covering a lot of space and hit most of the particles violently. long wavelengths will go through the atom at almost a "flat" path(cant find a better word right now). and by going past an electron will be able to increase the electrons speed/energy state by also attracting with it. this will disturb the orbit of the two particles that make up the photon so they will decouple, each one will "find its way"/attract to an electron and increase the electron energy.

this story is just an idea, a hint if you will at how things could work. if had all the details i would have 3 nobel prizes and a lot of money.

i have yet to begin first by explaining the electromagnetic wave/photon in detail. after that i can move on to 3d particles like electrons. and after that - the interaction between the two. and also other 3d particles. obviously the point is at keeping and translating the observed large scale relativistic effects to the small scale and to undersand what dimensions are. it is also neccessary to understand what the cause for relativity really is.
explaining the electromagnetic wave through relativity will bring me one step closer to a unified theory. i am sure this is possible.

vx220
09-30-06, 08:09 AM
by the way, i am now playing with the idea that the electromagnetic wave is two "particles" coupled oscilatting in a single dimension. they move up and down from the center, they attract to unity at the center and the move away from each other to the amplitude. at the center of the wave they achieve speed of light and exhange dimensions, x and y are exchanged and z(direction of the wave, and time for the particles) is reversed. this is perceived in 3d as two particles orbiting along the z axis. as their time is reversed each half orbit they move along the z axis each half orbit. as their x and y are exchanged, each half orbit is completed in a different orthogonal plane.
it is a bit hard to explain but i am too lazy to draw a picture explaining this visualy. at least until i work out all the details in my head.

the mechanism is quite simple though, achieving the speed of light reverses time and makes x go into imaginary numbers - the y plane.
what is mind melting about this is that it seems reversing time at each half orbit actually makes them reverse their attraction to the center of the wave - unity.
so you see, it is all interwoven, time, energy, distance, the attractive force... and also mind melting

vx220
09-30-06, 08:20 AM
this translates to the big scale as the pulsating universe. big bang -> universe expanding -> contraction -> big bang -> universe expanding in the symetrically opposite way -> contraction ... so on...

LaidBack
09-30-06, 10:52 PM
you are understanding this in a wrong way. a photon does not HIT our eyes. our eyes are made of atoms that are mostly empty space, but do not feel as such due to electromagnetic forces which do distance them. futhermore, i think that nucleon particles are also mostly empty space and so on.
a photon enters this empty space and begins its "attractive" interaction with electrons. wavelength of the EM radition cleary describes photon movement. short wavelengths will move quite violently through the space of the atom, covering a lot of space and hit most of the particles violently. long wavelengths will go through the atom at almost a "flat" path(cant find a better word right now). and by going past an electron will be able to increase the electrons speed/energy state by also attracting with it. this will disturb the orbit of the two particles that make up the photon so they will decouple, each one will "find its way"/attract to an electron and increase the electron energy.

this story is just an idea, a hint if you will at how things could work. if had all the details i would have 3 nobel prizes and a lot of money.

i have yet to begin first by explaining the electromagnetic wave/photon in detail. after that i can move on to 3d particles like electrons. and after that - the interaction between the two. and also other 3d particles. obviously the point is at keeping and translating the observed large scale relativistic effects to the small scale and to undersand what dimensions are. it is also neccessary to understand what the cause for relativity really is.
explaining the electromagnetic wave through relativity will bring me one step closer to a unified theory. i am sure this is possible.

Lets cut straight to the chase...

What do you think gives a particle its structure?
Now lets take a look at a Particle accelerator and address how the Particle accelerator functions..

Hmmm seems like we are depending on electromagnetic forces..

But hang on a minni here!
What does the magnetic field consist of?
Particles? <LOL>
Yeah right! Millions of particles are smashed into subject particle so that it may gain a velocity towards some target particle at the other end{ROFLOL}

HELLO! Are you getting the picture something doesn’t add up!

Obviously particle theory is simply messing around with physics that is rather clunky and as such way out of its league and we therefore must turn to dealing with it in a much more refined way...

Remember my first question pertaining as to what a Particle could consist of?

What if the particle was rather treated as an area as we do a "Magnetic field" via field theory where particles are disbanded, noting that the field pertaining to an area that is defined as a Particle is merely an area that is a compressed field pertaining to its current form hence "E" having a considerable potential toward unity for the given area and or field, and if this form is ever allowed, it will expand back to its original area of unity and thus giving the illusion it has been destroyed in the process when actually it is merely at unity.

BTW here is the true structure of an area that science has defined as an atom.

The Proton is an area that has been compressed.
Its outward force towards unity has been defined by science as a Positive charge.

The Electron is the result of neighbouring Proton/s outward force/s exerted as an inward force to the above Proton to which science has defined as Electron/s.

Areas where these two forces meet science has defined as neutrons.

For a given area pertaining to an Atom we can express its numerous forces numerous ways..

But if we deal with just the area that is contained as a field with a given potential towards unity we can have the means to clearly understand everything and anything.

Electron flow..

If an area defined as a proton is exerted upon by a force that compresses it further "say another proton by exerting its higher potential", the observed area of which already has energy or potential towards unity therefore increases by the amount of exertion, one should note as the observed area is compromised and compressed, the force exerted to the fields surface is further exchanged via given trajectories of meeting neutron surfaces to all other neighbouring Protons as Electron force, Err~ are you with me here?
where the electron is the inward containment force or seen as negative charge.

BTW space is never empty it may be near vacuum and or near unity, but within our universe it can never be No-thing or completely empty..

LaidBack
09-30-06, 11:08 PM
by the way, i am now playing with the idea that the electromagnetic wave is two "particles" coupled oscilatting in a single dimension. they move up and down from the center, they attract to unity at the center and the move away from each other to the amplitude. at the center of the wave they achieve speed of light and exhange dimensions, x and y are exchanged and z(direction of the wave, and time for the particles) is reversed. this is perceived in 3d as two particles orbiting along the z axis. as their time is reversed each half orbit they move along the z axis each half orbit. as their x and y are exchanged, each half orbit is completed in a different orthogonal plane.
it is a bit hard to explain but i am too lazy to draw a picture explaining this visualy. at least until i work out all the details in my head.

the mechanism is quite simple though, achieving the speed of light reverses time and makes x go into imaginary numbers - the y plane.
what is mind melting about this is that it seems reversing time at each half orbit actually makes them reverse their attraction to the center of the wave - unity.
so you see, it is all interwoven, time, energy, distance, the attractive force... and also mind melting

Oy! :rolleyes:

I already have given you the mechanics as to how electron flows and or electromagnetic waves are propagated and one should note the maximum speed of Light is restricted by the maximum size of a given masses area when it is near unity!

I therefore highly recommend you research Electronics, Electron flow and in particular Radio transmission, as I believe your constructs mainly deal with Basic Physics that only concerns itself with Particles.

vx220
10-01-06, 05:18 AM
Hey, I'm just using the word particle for lack of a better word.

If I had to explain exactly what they are I'd say they're points of origin of tension of spacetime.

LaidBack
10-01-06, 05:30 PM
this translates to the big scale as the pulsating universe. big bang -> universe expanding -> contraction -> big bang -> universe expanding in the symetrically opposite way -> contraction ... so on...

Well good luck~ you are really going to need it..

Because the big bang was first conjectured on the premise of Redshift measurements, since then it has been discovered that this perceived expansion is accelerating which doesn’t conform to some Big Bang anymore, this accelerating expansion is also conflicting with our stable and unchanging constants and a question as to where all this increasing energy and or increasing potential is coming from?

So therefore we must concede that as our local area is exerted towards a time reference {Black Hole in every Galaxies Core} where every field and or mass is compressed through to a point and then released just as Black Holes emit jets of highly condensed and or compressed mass from its Poles completing just one of the many dynamic cycles within our Universe.

What’s important to note is that as our area is compressed, Any mass and or near unity Fields that is not being compressed by the same time reference as our area, it will be measured and perceived to be expanding away from us and as we are compressed inwards and or shrunk, distant areas not influenced by the same time reference will be perceived and measured to us as accelerating and expanding away because the smaller our area becomes the greater and faster those distant objects will be perceived by both our instruments and eyes. { And yes we are on the verge of relativity wen we are referencing these matters.}

Therefore I have reasoned every galaxy is being exerted inwards via 80~90% of the universes mass and or fields which are at a given velocity towards unity.

One more point to keep in mind at all times...

Force can only exert force if an opposing force exists to facilitate it, now take a look at your conjectured model of your Universe and tell me what force is going to exert the whole Universe inward?

Attraction? Well that’s only possible if gravity exists via attraction, but if attraction is possible then we must concede that magic and or miracles are also possible, reason your self to what footing would attraction facilitate as force..

Let me suggest attraction is simply a perceived force and mark my words one day everyone will understand gravity and the Universe the way it should be understood { I hope this is really soon}, Even when we are dealing with positive and negative charges and or the Electro/magnetic poles, all events are easily explained as an exertion being exerted from another area with higher potential rather than some sort of magical and or miracles attraction.

LaidBack
10-01-06, 06:06 PM
Hey, I'm just using the word particle for lack of a better word.

If I had to explain exactly what they are I'd say they're points of origin of tension of spacetime.

I could be a pain and ask how large is that point of origin? And what forces facilitates its tension? But I wont... I found its best to leave others to their own pace when piecing data of our universe together.

At this point I have a question that I addressed some time ago that will intrigue candidates with enough intellect to seek further insight..
Have you ever wondered how the term Space-time came about?

I found the subject and concepts behind the reasoning very interesting when I messed about with this dimension that is represented as a three Dimensional Sphere of time, and believe it or not messing around with such a sphere was the reason for much of my insight as to how our universe behaves, and in fact was in part responsible for disbanding Gravity as some sort of attractive force, which struck me TOE was right there for all to see if only everyone disbands attraction as being possible.