Ok alot of people out there are all about the aliens and ufo's etc. They are all like "We gotta comunicate with the aliens cause they smarter than we is" ok what happends if we do? Say they come and help us with problems etc thatd be all fine and dandy right? Hope so if it does happen. Anyway What if they come to rage war and kill us all? Hmm is are planet able to handle that? Is are planet able to fight off something like that? No one knows.

I dont think that we should try and communicate with the aliens IF THE ARE REAL. I know it would be awsome to do that but what if they are evil?. We would all be screwed! ...

Its always a joke..ehh? any answer given would be a waste.

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What i reckon is YOU are proof aliens exist,cos no experiment on earth could cause someone like you to exist! its just not scientifically possible,actually you probably are an alien,i too dont believe all aliens are intelligent,they probably sent you down here to send back information.

Tell them that if they send any more people like you,we will nuke them.

just like our own world here, there are good and bad people/factions
postives and negatives. its nothing new.
aliens are a part of our history and future.

Ok alot of people out there are all about the aliens and ufo's etc. They are all like "We gotta comunicate with the aliens cause they smarter than we is" ok what happends if we do? Say they come and help us with problems etc thatd be all fine and dandy right? Hope so if it does happen. Anyway What if they come to rage war and kill us all? Hmm is are planet able to handle that? Is are planet able to fight off something like that? No one knows.

I dont think that we should try and communicate with the aliens IF THE ARE REAL. I know it would be awsome to do that but what if they are evil?. We would all be screwed! ...

I think that instead of us trying to communicate with aliens, it's them trying to communicate with us. Last summer a friend of mine slept over and since I have a balcony outside my room and it was a hot night, we slept out there. We saw a couple of shooting stars and stuff, and then I saw a plane flying overhead. It was about two o'clock in the morning, so I might have been a little tired, but I realised that there was no plane sound. Then I figured that it always takes a while for the sound to reach your ears because the crafts are so far away. Then I realised that the four lights on the plane were all red, and not flashing- a little wierd for a normal jet. THEN I realised that three of the red lights, in a triangular pattern, were moving closer towards each other and back again. I didn't get such a good look because it was flying overhead at a fast pace, but I know I saw the lights moving. Also, the fourth light was moving as well, but more to the sides and front of the main triangle, like a leader or something. It was really strange. My friend saw it as well, but she wasn't as awake as I was by that time. By the time it had flown away, still no plane sound. I know this all could be explained by tiredness so early in the morning, but I usually stay up until about that time in the summer anyway. So that's my experience, no lie. Anyway, my point is, I think that those lights were trying to say something to earth people that night, perhaps trying to get us to realise that there is other life out there because they can't land due to earth conditions or something or they have no way of contacting us instead of flying overhead with lights trying to get us to notice them at 2 am. Or maybe it was just a plane. Perhaps a satellight? ...What do you think? Oh, and also, I think if they were wanting to attack us and they had a way of doing it, they'd have done it by now... Why would they have a reason to anyway?

QUOTE " Oh, and also, I think if they were wanting to attack us and they had a way of doing it, they'd have done it by now... Why would they have a reason to anyway? "

Yes, very good line of reasoning, and questioning.

Norval

[...] They are all like "We gotta comunicate with the aliens cause they smarter than we is" ok what happends if we do? [...] I dont think that we should try and communicate with the aliens IF THE ARE REAL. I know it would be awsome to do that but what if they are evil?. We would all be screwed! ...

Nit-wits. Hasn't it ever occurred to you that perhaps they don't especially care to sniff up close at your nozzles? I mean, puke me out. Who?-mans!

what if "THEY" are evil???????

humphhhhh....now i dont know if the aliens as reported about are extea-terrestrial, infra-terrestrial or a mixture, but how can we lump em all in the same bag......?

also, what about a good proprotion of OUR fukin species--many of whome seem 'alien' to me, in their wanton regard for Nature, and thie rrush to destryo everything for all....i FEEL like an alien actually in this world which is ruled by these people. so i sometimes imaginatively empathize with aliens looking at what our species gets up to....the wars, unbelieveable violence, cruelty, impoverishment, etcetc....i can imagine them thinking that they pity us!...and hope we will one day grow up

also, what about a good proprotion of OUR fukin species--many of whome seem 'alien' to me, in their wanton regard for Nature, and thie rrush to destryo everything for all

From all the myriad accounts of the different close encounter types recorded this past century, and from the strikingly eerie similarities recorded throughout history, one can only conclude (as ufologists, abductees, experiencers, etc, have already concluded amongst themselves) that earth is being "visited" not by one or three different "alien" types, but by many many different types... I think they've indexed a chart of twenty-something or more -- as is clearly illustrated by the different technological types of ship designs, WHICH brings me to conclude that the galaxy must be *thriving*. And here in the Solar System, there's a species who seems to be treated like the neighbourhood skunk.

From all the myriad accounts of the different close encounter types recorded this past century, and from the strikingly eerie similarities recorded throughout history, one can only conclude (as ufologists, abductees, experiencers, etc, have already concluded amongst themselves) that earth is being "visited" not by one or three different "alien" types, but by many many different types... I think they've indexed a chart of twenty-something or more -- as is clearly illustrated by the different technological types of ship designs, WHICH brings me to conclude that the galaxy must be *thriving*. And here in the Solar System, there's a species who seems to be treated like the neighbourhood skunk.

This is nonsense.. The only basis for classifying ufos and aliens in different "groupings" is based only on eyewitness testimony differentials.. Thus, the way peopel describe the things they see has led these ufologists etc to classify them differently.. In reality, these people have just experienced some kindof mental dilution or dream where there mind created a picture for them differently, and uniquely... This is not proof of different species but only that people's "visions" were different..

We signalled our potential existence 2 billion years ago when primitive life generated an oxygen rich atmosphere.
We announced our technical existence when we started radio broadcasts 100 years ago.
We declared not only our technical advances, but our rate of technical advance, when the Earth became brighter, at certain wavelengths, than the sun.
It is probably incidental if we chose deliberately to announce our presence; we have already told the Universe we are here.

It is probably incidental if we chose deliberately to announce our presence; we have already told the Universe we are here.Well, there's a difference between announcing your presence to others with a bullhorn while your house is all messy and smelly -- and wanting them to chat?

Thus, the way peopel describe the things they see has led these ufologists etc to classify them differently..And, uhn, how would you know this?

In reality, these people have just experienced some kindof mental dilution or dream where there mind created a picture for them differently, and uniquely...Such as the delusion that you know what you're talking about without actually having to listen to the very "visions" you so casually deride. So much easier to dispel what you can not possibly understand since you've already misunderstood the topic of this thread: it's about, "what if? so then why?" -- not, "slam the door and pretend no one's in." Oh wait a minute... I just answered Ophiolite's post.

Such as the delusion that you know what you're talking about without actually having to listen to the very "visions" you so casually deride. So much easier to dispel what you can not possibly understand since you've already misunderstood the topic of this thread: it's about, "what if? so then why?" -- not, "slam the door and pretend no one's in." Oh wait a minute... I just answered Ophiolite's post.

I never slam the door on anything.. I for one have no idea if ETI exist or not. I look for interesting claims and things that possibly make sense.. I have no agenda..

However, to claim that there are 100's of different species of aliens is a reach when you sit and think.... that we still can't PROVE or even STUDY or ANALYZE an EXISTANCE of a single case of ETI's yet alone even begin to believe there are 100 different species that have already visited Earth.

To say that there are 100 when we cannot even prove there is 1 is preposterous.. First it must be necessary to show 1 exists, than if 1 exists surely there will be hypothetically many more species to exist.

If 1 can exist there will be 100's... If we can only validate that 0 exist, than 0 exist with the possibility of 1.

Do you see the logic in this... I dont see any logic in claiming there are 100's of species when we have yet to prove 1.

It's clearly a waste of time and effort in my humble opinion.

Well, there's a difference between announcing your presence to others with a bullhorn while your house is all messy and smelly -- and wanting them to chat?
Oh wait a minute... I just answered Ophiolite's post.
That was an answer?
Albume27 asks, reasonably "I know it would be awsome to communicate with aliens but what if they are evil?. We would all be screwed!"
I respond by pointing out it is probably academic, since we have already announced our presence.
Your answer: an obscure, seemingly pointless, analogy.

terpinator72 states, accurately,"Thus, the way people describe the things they see has led these ufologists etc to classify them differently"
Your response:"And, uhn, how would you know this?"
Because he's read much the same material you have. Are you suggesting another source for this classification system? If not, this response is as meaningless as the first.

terpinator72: I never slam the door on anything.. I for one have no idea if ETI and exist or not. I look for interesting claims and things that possibly make sense.. I have no agenda..But you *do* have an agenda. Humans will pick and pick until the president of the united states of america, god's greatest nation on earth, let us pray, becomes god's greatest nation in the galaxy. Vultures.




edit: not so much slamming the door >> but to "pretend no one's in -- then perhaps they'll go away soon enough". Or, perhaps in most cases, hiding under the bed.

That was an answer?
Albume27 asks, reasonably "I know it would be awsome to communicate with aliens but what if they are evil?. We would all be screwed!"
I respond by pointing out it is probably academic, since we have already announced our presence.
Your answer: an obscure, seemingly pointless, analogy.

terpinator72 states, accurately,"Thus, the way people describe the things they see has led these ufologists etc to classify them differently"
Your response:"And, uhn, how would you know this?"
Because he's read much the same material you have. Are you suggesting another source for this classification system? If not, this response is as meaningless as the first.

No, Ophio dear, I answered, from all the myriad accounts of the different close encounter types recorded this past century, and from the strikingly eerie similarities recorded throughout history, one can only conclude (as ufologists, abductees, experiencers, etc, have already concluded amongst themselves) that earth is being "visited" not by one or three different "alien" types, but by many many different types... I think they've indexed a chart of twenty-something or more (not hundreds, terpintine72) -- as is clearly illustrated by the different technological types of ship designs, WHICH brings me to conclude that the galaxy must be *thriving*. And here in the Solar System, there's a species who seems to be treated like the neighbourhood skunk.

And, Ophio, your meaninglessness was just as enlightening.

If the world government's are covering up evidence of ETI that has been visiting us, then don't we have to conclude there is some danger to their existance? Otherwise, why would it be covered up?

As much as I would love to believe they are friendly; I don't know that. More to the point is that it looks like our Military cover's it up because of some kind of fear. My fear is that they are much more advanced than us, much more powerfull and possibly even dangerous. If not, then maybe they are just protecting the knowlege of it?

It's an interesting question to ask, but one without an answer. I mean, heck some on here think you are crazy to even ask that. They think I'm crazy to even believe we might be covering it up. Yet, they at the same time might think ET exist's but claim they can't travel this far. There are numerous opinion's on this issue, and numerous way's one can go on it.

My suggestion would be to study the evidence and make up you're own mind.

Btimsah: If the world government's are covering up evidence of ETI that has been visiting us, then don't we have to conclude there is some danger to their existance? Otherwise, why would it be covered up?

Not necessarily. Governments, and the elite of the establishment, would rather not loose control -- look at how the Iraqi invasion has been covered in America vis-à-vis the world's coverage. The exposure of ET existence would blow the system's bubble like pricking a balloon with a needle. Fizzle.

I'm sure you'll find the worlds governments have more important things to "hide up" on their agenda like hidden transgressions against one another, or their people.

Governments have departments. And fingers in every pie. And hands up everyone's crotch.

No, Ophio dear, I answered, from all the myriad accounts of the different close encounter types recorded this past century, and from the strikingly eerie similarities recorded throughout history, one can only conclude (as ufologists, abductees, experiencers, etc, have already concluded amongst themselves) that earth is being "visited" not by one or three different "alien" types, but by many many different types... I think they've indexed a chart of twenty-something or more (not hundreds, terpintine72) -- as is clearly illustrated by the different technological types of ship designs, WHICH brings me to conclude that the galaxy must be *thriving*. And here in the Solar System, there's a species who seems to be treated like the neighbourhood skunk.
Are you capable of reading another's post, understanding it, and then answering a direct question? On the basis of your earlier posts the answer would be no, but I am an optimist.
You have still not answered Albume's original question. I shall make it easy for you - multiple choice:
a) We should try to communicate with ET because of the benefits that would accrue following successful contact.
b) We should not attempt to contact ET because they may be hostile, or destructive.
c) It doesn't matter either way, since they allready know we are here.

Your answer appears to be c), but I would appreciate confirmation.

I've re-read your posts and there seems to be a lot of anger there. Anger can often be counterproductive, but then it depends upon your objectives in posting.
You noted that "And, Ophio, your meaninglessness was just as enlightening"
Responsibility for clear communication rests with the writer, so I'm sorry I was unclear. Here are two of the points I have made thus far:
In answer to the original question - it may be academic whether or not we choose to communicate with ET as we have already announced our presence..
You said "Well, there's a difference between announcing your presence to others with a bullhorn while your house is all messy and smelly -- and wanting them to chat?" Which I describe as an apparently meaningless analogy. That is an invitation for you to clarify your analogy.

Oh so sorry mister Ophiolite -- I will try to do better next time I'm sure!

I have politely asked you to clarify your position on the thread topic. You have ignored this.
I have invited you to clarify your original analogy. You have ignored this.
What would it take to get a direct response?

But you *do* have an agenda. Humans will pick and pick until the president of the united states of america, god's greatest nation on earth, let us pray, becomes god's greatest nation in the galaxy. Vultures.
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You have some validity in this assessment.. However, as we are brainwashed as childern with mandatory Pledges of alligance, etc etc this is only "Normal" custom...

However, I personally "see" these types of things as brainwashing and barbaric.. I typically love my country yes, but I do reconginze that often Americans have in-group bias (COMPLETELY NORMAL), but often take this to the Nth degree..

I love my country, but I probably dont have as much identifiation with it to really think that our country is the best in the galaxy.. thats preposterous.

No, Ophio dear, I answered, from all the myriad accounts of the different close encounter types recorded this past century, and from the strikingly eerie similarities recorded throughout history, one can only conclude (as ufologists, abductees, experiencers, etc, have already concluded amongst themselves) that earth is being "visited" not by one or three different "alien" types, but by many many different types... I think they've indexed a chart of twenty-something or more (not hundreds, terpintine72) -- as is clearly illustrated by the different technological types of ship designs, WHICH brings me to conclude that the galaxy must be *thriving*. And here in the Solar System, there's a species who seems to be treated like the neighbourhood skunk.

Just becuase there is some kindof pattern to the sightings doesnt mean they HAVENT been influenced by outside sources, IE movies, Media internet etc.
I've even had dreams where I saw aliens and stuff, and people probably mis-interpret these events as abductions.. Then a hypnotist comes in and extracts a false abduction..... Clearly the Mind in a dream like state would probably believe the abduction trully happened. Only because hypnosis and dreaming is a different level of consciousness...

Now some people argue that when you are dreaming you soul or spirit or entity actually is in a parrallel universe. Now this seems plausible where Dreams seem to real etc etc... However, if this is true then abductions probably are happening to everyone.

If your really interested in the different classifications check out
THIS WEBSITE (http://aliens.monstrous.com/alien_species.htm)

Now this site has detailed information on every type of alien.. Clearly, these facts couldnt be known so fully... This is fiction.
If the world government's are covering up evidence of ETI that has been visiting us, then don't we have to conclude there is some danger to their existance? Otherwise, why would it be covered up?

My suggestion would be to study the evidence and make up you're own mind.

The danger lies in the fact that knowledge of ETI would completly change every way, shape, thinking of life as we know it.. People would doubt religion since ETI's really are mentioned in the Bible.... However, just the existance of Aliens has bearing on the existance of God...
Human A is a avid fish lover... Similar to God being a avid human lover..
For no reason A buys, makes aquariums to put fish in...
He lines these fish tanks in his basement, parrallel to each other on the back wall..
In the summer time when the basement is naturally hotter the temperatures on the aquariums rise, so the man leaves the lids on the tank open, for cool air to have easier access to the water..
In the middle of a night a fish happens to jump out of the fish tank (they do this) and land in the other one....
OMG what is this? A similar aquarium to the one right beside it.. The fish had no idea it existed... And now he is in a stressed out state, more prone to disease (ICK) and death... Quarentine is the safest option for this unstable fish.. He needs to be isolated, and treated with copper solutions..

see any resemblence?
There still has to be intelligent design behind the equation.

Souces
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/index.html
search quarentine....
Im a avid fish lover I know my stuff :)

This analogy makes sense to people when I explain it to them in person.. I hope you kindof get an idea what I am talking about..

Good day,
-A

Yes there is a lot of interesting stuff about “aliens” being here on earth. Yet, what I find interesting most of all is the lack of certain kinds of information about them. Take for example some of the posters here at scifoolems.

There are several posters that constantly and consistently deny there are ETI here, and as often as possible bring out garbage to just trash the threads that want to talk about them being here. What a complex they (the Bad ET’s) must have. Another point they often employ is their constant put down of the human race as a whole. Jealousy me thinks. I mean, after all we were given the qualities and attributes of the very creator himself. They weren’t. Tsk, tsk, such an attitude they seem to have about that.

Norval