although i am the first one to say that "the matrix" was the movie that i thoroughly enjoyed after a long time(My name,My signature,My avatar is based on the same).
but the philosophy of the matrix is sadly based on a fact that only and only a "messiah" can save us from our troubles.this is illustrated from the fact that the Morpheus group is just searching for Jesus Jr. and are doing nothing to stop machines.how can one just rely on the fact that since a psychic tells us that the "chosen one" is going to come we "ll sit and wait.i mean its okay that GOD will send someone ,but we have to try things on our own,we cant just sit around and relax.that is very sad.
even "GOD" wouldnt permit us to do that.any comments would be welcome.

I would say that they weren't looking for a Jesus Character as Neo is mentioned to Morpheus by the Oracle.
The understanding that Morpheus was told is that he "COULD" well be their and the future of mankinds saviour.

It is also noticable they were looking for other people in the matrix with similar talents.

I say could as they took that it might ot work out that way, that's why Neo did't see his talent to begin with.

This especially makes sense when you look into the meaning of "BULLET TIME", it involves a whole bunch of Matrix neural networking and parallel processing.

My understanding of Bullet Time is that you might have an outcome that you know will come into being, but at the last instance you change that outcomes destiny to go a different direction.

This was most noticable when Neo began to Stop bullet's.

I still prefers William Gibsons Definition of Matrix.

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
I still prefers William Gibsons Definition of Matrix.

Hi,
whats that?:confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
I would say that they weren't looking for a Jesus Character as Neo is mentioned to Morpheus by the Oracle.
The understanding that Morpheus was told is that he "COULD" well be their and the future of mankinds saviour.

It is also noticable they were looking for other people in the matrix with similar talents.

I say could as they took that it might ot work out that way, that's why Neo did't see his talent to begin with.

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but still they were looking for someone else,isnt it?
since they didnt mention in the movie that they have tried something else to destroy the matrix,so i"ll assume that they have been searching for "the chosen".you"re right in saying so.but what if(hypothetically) there was no chosen one sent,wouldnt they still be waiting?i mean isnt that a sign of give up?
about "BULLET TIME" ya,i think you"re pretty right.interesting thought.:cool:

William Gibson's view of a Matrix was the World in the future is dominated by companies creating/employing their own AI's (This is at the point where they can ask for citizenship). Since the artificial intelligences live within their virtual world they begin to coelsce themselves into the Matrix.

The matrix being a neural network of all the AI's, creating this Virtual God-like entity.

Heres my opinion on the whole choosen one theory.

They aren't looking for a Jesus Character or a choosen one they were looking for someone whose mind was free enough from the Matrix (but still in it) to do the things that needed to be done. Other peoples minds can't be as free as Neo because they can't die and come back to life, but Neo can. So no one has really rejected the matrix as being completely fake, they still in some way hold on to the rules that apply to it, but neo can break the rules because he doesnt accept the matrix as being real and knows whole heartedly that it IS FAKE. Thats how he is the one.

I would add to that, "Neo doesn't break the rules, he re-invents them!".

Something I neglected to mentioned before but is programmed into most "game" environments is the legendary "GOD-MODE.

The question I would ask about the whole Matrix story is how comes they did not find the GOD-MODE of the matrix? Afterall every gamer knows that if he gets in trouble, to look for "hints, tips and CHEATS".

But Neo did find the GOD-MODE! He died and said "hey this isnt right, i cant die in the matrix if it isnt real!" And went into a kind of god mode.

Plus remember what Cypher said "Well you have to. The image translators work for the construct program. But there's way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it.?"

So you cant find a god mode because theres to much code and its always being written and rewritten, so good luck on finding the god mode! But you would have better luck finding someone who ignores *the rules* of the game.

But Neo didn't "BREAK the rules", It was like the child explained to him at the ORACLES.

"Try not to bend the spoon for that is impossible. Only try to realise the truth. It's not the spoon that bends, There is no spoon."

Breaking the rules would bend the spoon by making it possible, not bending the spoon by the impossible not being a reality.

You might say that a "GOD-MODE" couldn't exist, but I would guess that beneath the underlining re-programming of the system by "A.I. there would still be some fundemental rules programmed by us humans that could be used as "Achilles Heels". The A.I's fundemental weakness.

(You could look at such weaknesses, for instance the film "Wargames", an aritificial intelligence is created to control the defense Matrix against hostile attack. Although the young hacker who was looking for a game manages to trigger the AI to think the whole world was under attack rather than just a simulated attack, it prove the first in the flaws of the A.I.

Other flaws were "BACKDOORS", and even "GAMES".

The way the world is eventually saved is by the AI "LEARNING" from TICTACTOE (Noughts and Crosses) that there are "NO WIN SITUATIONS".

The entire concept of Artificial intelligence is not just holding information, but having the ability to "LEARN". Perhaps the best way to fight a world dominated by AI would be to bring about "NEUROMANCER".)

Actually I think that the Oracle is a A.I. If there are evil A.I.'s then there has to be good ones, plus it just makes sense. If shes been with the rebels since the begining and its been about 100-150 years then theres no way she could live that long unless she is an AI!

In all actuality Neo is the original one, heres a theory (just a theory). If the Matrix was designed to take place at the height of our civilation lets say from 1960 to 2020 then thats every 80 years that the Matrix repeats itself. So therefore Neo and everyone else (except the rebels) just repeat the same events all the time. Now saying that the rebels have been around for only 100 years then that means that the first one would have never been around to know that thematrix repeats itself, and nither would the first rebels that were freed with the first one.

I think im one of the few people who believe that the rebels should just except the matrix for what it should be, a perfect world. It can be everything that they want it to be, they can be happy and not worry about war, just tell the AI "Hey make us a perfect world and we won't complain anymore!"

Well heres a theory I came up with:

On the plaque in the NEBUCHADNEZZAR, there is a date of it's commisioning "24??", showing that what ever time they supposedly exist is after the 24th Century.

I had this suspicion perhaps the A.I. let these rebelious people exist in another "Virtual world", one were it could learn more about the human perception.

Think you awake to find a field of other people harnessed by a machine, Humanity brinks on demise over an artificial intelligence system that has learnt to control the whole world for it's own twisted logic.

The machine could be learning from these people what human Values are, how it feels to face an enemy unseen, to be outgunned and outnumbered, but stuborn enough to bring about their echelon of existance once more, a re-introduction into acendancy.

The year "24??", it might actually be the year "1998" with the system using it's neural network to move it's existance back through time, incriment by incriment. Making the whole timescape adhere to only relativity.

Perhaps, the entire world was devised by a very human system, a very government agency/military system of people watching how these "hackers" and supposed "Mis-fits" can congregate together to beat such an Artificial Enemy.

(Possibly also to see if they are capable of being of use in their trade.)

If that later was correct, the true reality could be waking up in a Cryochamber within a government research laboratory. To once have been the guy "God-moding" a whole system, to being a man in custody.

On the plaque in the NEBUCHADNEZZAR, there is a date of it's commisioning "24??", showing that what ever time they supposedly exist is after the 24th Century

Actually your wrong it says 2069.
So your theory is flawed.

my theory on why this single person is able to access the "admin" abillity in the matrix is that his grandfather the original programer accesed it useing dna or something like that well his dna is close enough to it to be able to access these commands..

Thats a nice theory and all but humans didnt make write the coding(programming) for the matrix, the AI did. It really is an interesting one because they did need human DNA to make the humans, and then they would just make the same humans over and over again like how Neo is the One, because in his past life (the last person who had his DNA) he was the one. It would make even more sense if the original "One" had made the AI and then as a punishment from bringing the AI into a crappy world the machines decided to clone him and put him into the matrix, and then keep cloning him so that he can lead a crappy excistence. But this is all theory and theres not really anything to support it.

CounslerCoffee

My theory wasn't flawed, my memory is, okay the date is different, but Morpheus suggests that it was "The 24th Century" although he couldn't give the later part to the date.

I just put forwards that the Date wasn't necessarily a date forwards, but a date back.

As for clones, they wouldn't necessarily be the same unless the original had been mapped with a Sprawl "Construct" and then re-inserted into the clone. Of course this means that the clone ends up with an input from the original, but they are no necessarily the same, the clone would just share some of the same information, but not necessarily agree with everything the original agreed with.

(I suppose you could say that the "construct" would sprinkle the originals intellect across the clones lifespan.)

Oh and just for fun, NEO is an anagram of ONE, and if your really crafty, check the numbers out at the beginning sequence during TRINITY's Crunching.

If you look at Trinity's number crunching you should see the numbers "5-5-5", this is a number that you should ask Tony1 about as it pretty much means "The one".

Nope, Morpheus said "You believe it's the year 1999 when in fact it's closer to 2199" That would make it the 22nd add on another year and it would be the 23rd, you are way off saying that they are in the 24th century, things work different then in kentucky and England. That whole damn metric system.

A date can go back, in the matrix anything is possible. "At the peak of your civillivation." so they can't be repeating all of history because if they did then they would be showing the part where they create the AI and the AI doesnt want the humans to know that it ever excisted in the first place. which is the perfect control, ignorance "Ignorance is bliss." So the matrix has to be (if its the peak of our civillization) from at least 1960 (or 1970)to at most the year 2069, il extend it because of the whole hover craft thingy.

Yes I know about the anagrams and the room numbers and all that stuff.

Well I don't have it on DVD so I can't just pull up the index :p

Perhaps we should extend this thread into "The Matrix: Writing the Sequel" :p

I dont have it on DVD either i got it on old fashon VHS! Im getting the DVD version for christmas though, and if your complaining about scenes theres this little trick i know, its called fast foward and rewind.

I cant wait for the sequel either, both of them! (and we are practically writing them in this thread)

Please dont mistake my sarcastic remarks as rude, im always like this (been slapped in the face many times). this is the most fun ive had talking about the matrix in a long time, everyone else doesnt want to listen to my theorys and stuff so right now your my number one theory buddy on the matrix.

It's alright CounslerCoffee I excepted your Hypothetical rudeness as a brisk character trait. (makes you different form others, but don't get too rude ;))

I watched something the other night that explained that the US military is in cahoots with the Matrix team working out how to make a virtual Software for training troops (this is called "BULLET TIME")

Of course there system is simple, you have a light gun that has a fire-recoil like the real think, you take orders from a virtual person who's got a real person sat in a room doing his voice over with your "soon to be" Virtual warrior listening to his virtual superior and dealing with the situations that could occur. (Like not shooting a woman running for a her child, and trying to deal with her although she's speaking in a foreign tongue.)

Of course this means they've spent a Military budget on some supercool arcade games... so all you young guys wanting to play arcade games for the rest of your life... sign up. (well if there was going to be peace on earth, thats what you would be doing instead of patroling borders.)

I kind of saw the idea of how they meant by "BULLET TIME" as being "Boom! game over... Private you went wrong, this is how you should of done the following..." with that it's a rewind and he's reliving the moment he made a mistake and altering his virtual destinies direction.

I have heard of what your talking about (im 18 not clueless). I first heard of it a few months ago in a unofficial startrek newsletter. Bullet time has already been used in games this year only once and for the first time! Its called Max Payne and in it you slow down to a point where you can dodge bullets and shoot people really really slowly, do you think that the matrix game will be like that?

The analogy of THE MATRIX with bible is tremendous.
take for example Cypher,he is like Judas,who betrays the lord.
NEO,after crucification Jesus only came back after 3 days and it is said that he had more powers than ever,same happens with neo,he dies,comes back after approximately 3minutes(after trinity kissing etc)and he realises his powers.
i"ll come up with more answers later one .
bye!

Zion

You missed TRINITY's name... perhaps she had all the power all along, the power to make him stand up not for himself but for the want of her.

Her Kiss was enough to awaken him to the fact that he wanted to continue, to Free the enslave from the MATRIX? Perhaps, or just to get back to her side ;)

The way the plot and details in the movie are so strongly akin to the Bible is what made this movie such a hit. Every time you see it you find something new that the producer is trying to say.

I thought it's success was down to the fact that Avid gamers everywhere are plagueing designers to get to the point of having such a world to game in.

Of course this would take a matrix and cyberspace where you could just hook your Ghz modem up and start romping around in a Multidimensional texture virtual field, or invite your friends round to a complete frag-fest on Quake VIII: Interdimensional Jumpgate Tournament [flack-jacket not included.] (This is the one where you run from tournament field to tournament field running up the frag score.)

With that sort of virtual reality... it's something we crave and something that grows in craving with every generation of console.

Some people complain that youngsters game too much, in reality... we are just increasing out nerve response time, and neural passages through constant information bombardment... the only way with keeping up with technologies evolution.

Yeah, I'd love to have a completely 3D virtual reality console, one where you are actually in the level, not just looking at a screen. Whoever comes up with a way of doing that at affordable prices will make millions...

Counsellor,
check out the official site and ,www.keanuweb.com....
you"ll find that Oracle was not an AI.she stays in the ZION mainframe,she is yes very old...


NEO:SO IS THIS THE SAME ORACLE THAT MADE THE PROPHECY?

MORPHEUS:YES...SHE'S VERY OLD,SHE'S BEEN WITH US SINCE THE BEGINING.

NEO:THE BEGINING?

MORPHEUS:OF THE RESISTANCE.

we "ll know more of zion mainframe in MATRIX RELOADED(MATRIX-II) AND MATRIX REVOLUTIONS(MATRIX-III).

in the interview with larry and andy they themselves have admitted that story is highly influenced by bible,also Joe (Cypher)has repeatedly said that he loves playing Judas.

Stryder,
i agree with you about trinity stuff.but tell me about the things that are so similiar to bible in the matrix...

Perhaps we should pull Tony1 into this thread to fill out the bible bits... mind you he probably hasn't watched THE MATRIX... perhaps we can con him into watching it... tell him it's an adaption of the new testiment :p

Stryder,

point here is that did the matrix do very well for the idea of computer simulated world(about which i think i analogically true fro us in this life as i have expressed before in my various posts,god being the programmer ad so forth)or did it do well because it appealed to the people having that relegious itch in them.?

I watched the matrix due to my interest in Cyberpunk and Cybersubcultures, not for it's religious aspects.

So I would be looking from the romantic aspects of certain frowned upon arts.

I first watched the matrix because it looked cool.

I know about most of this bible stuff that you are refurring to. I went to catholic school for 5 years so i know some stuff and the rest ive looked at online. Heres a few:

Thomas Anderson- Thomas is a apositol to jesus,he was nicknamed doubting thomas because he did not believe that jesus was dead until jesus showed him "the holes in his wrists"! Just like how Thomas Anderson doesnt think that hes the one until he sees the bullet holes in him!

On the plaque of the morpheus ship it says "Mark III No. 11"
Mark 3 11 reads like this in the bible:
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down, and cried saying, Thou art the son of God.

I was thought that was a neat little thing added in.

Morpheus in the bible is a king who went in search of his dreams. Morpheus can also mean Morphean a drug that causes a dream like state.

theres a website that i found some other stuff on il find the link and post it for yall.

Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
theres a website that i found some other stuff on il find the link and post it for yall.
i also saw it somewhere on the net,the things that you were talking,but i dont remember the site.:(.its in quite detailed from,tables are given for analogy there.

bye!

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
I watched the matrix due to my interest in Cyberpunk and Cybersubcultures, not for it's religious aspects.

So I would be looking from the romantic aspects of certain frowned upon arts.

me too.i initially guessed badly that it is going to be another Fantasy fiction,with noe base whatso ever,(i didnt know the story,its just that my father accidentally bought me the DVD...and then i just loved the idea...

bye!

This is what your talking about zion:
The Matrix, FAQ, Theorys and info (http://www.suspensionofdisbelief.com/matrix/faq.html)

Im looking for the other site that i was tlaking about and the one im tlaking about goes really in depth, were tlaking about this guy making references to water and trash that is seen in the movie!

Y´all should read Valis by Philip K Dick and see that the Matrix excisted before cyberpunk and computer networks. The matrix is reality and Neo is enlightened.

Philip K Dick was the one that said that science fiction is the platform to visualize religious ideas (not in these words, I´m not a quoter :))

You know whats funny about the Matrix, the whole using humans as batteries.

My Physics teacher likes to ruin movies for us (she proved that in batman Forever he would have to travel at like Mach 10 to catch Robin and the broad). She said something like a human only gives off a couple of volts of electric energy.

Well call your physics teacher a IDIOT! Tell her that in the movie the machines use a whole lot of humans to power themselves. Plus remember what Morpheus said "combined with a form of fussion" So with some fussion and a human who knows what you can get? IDIOT!

Im sorry when i said "IDIOT!" on the last part of my line it was an accident. I didnt mean to put that one in there. My fault.

morpheus:the human body generates more bioelectricity than 120 Volts battery and 20,000 of BTUs(British thermal units)......



thats a lot counsellor isnt it?i dont know if that is true or not?

anyone can give inputs regarding the correctness of the following data please?

bye!:confused:

Its not that much but remember what morpheus said, "combined with a form of fussion" so maybe this fussion makes them produce more energy, maybe the machines created a kind of off beat cold fussion technology but can only use it inside of a biological form large enough to hold it. think about it.

i have been wondering...

why is the matrix code specifically green?,why is that NEO sees everything of that green code and not any other color?any reasons?

It Looks Cool.

how's this?:)

You know it's interesting, when one time I tried to imagine the processes my comp was doing in it. Basic 0 and 1 ,
I pretended it in green signals too, but tht was after watching Matrix, so I think tht tht's the answer.

I think tht it would not look cool if the code was red or white.

In one of the matrix forums,i have heard one of the guys saying that since IBM pc came up with MA containing single green color,so it was so...what do you think...??

bye!

One more thing...

why did during those training programs of Neo, Morpheus talks or orders Tank to load programs by looking up above to address him,why not down,why not anywhere else???:confused:

bye!:confused: :confused:

When there in the actual matrix they have to read it in code. But in the construct they can decode it so that they can watch it like TV so its kinda like having cameras around.

Cypher says:"The image translators work for the construct program. But there's way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it. "

Let me catch up on this thread...

Why was the 0's and 1's Green (And Neo see the Matrix in Green)?

Admittedly the first VDU (Visual Display Units) were Green screens, rather than Greyscale they followed a scale of Green.
I Use to use an Old Amstrad Computer will a green commandline, and Telefax machines also used Green screens. (They were before Fax machines)

In truth I think the films depiction of the Matrix code wasn't how it should be, I think an Episode of Farscape had something that would have resembled a method of portraying it, where Crichton had an Alien explaination of wormhole technology locked up in his brain, the information was buzzing around in a form of "relativity", so rather than just a bunch of letters and numbers cascading down in a waterfall effect, the letters and numbers would intersect at a point and become more transparent out in every direction.

Of course I can think of a far better method when I start imagining our Universe as Holographic.

As for the Power of a Human being, Well as for the fussion, think of it like this....

Fission is nuclear power, Fusion is when all energy can be used to give no waste. There wouldn't be true Fusion with humans, but to feed the dead intravenously to the living. The process the "food" takes when it's converted into energy/heat would be similar to a fusion process, although there would be a waste product. This is the stupid bit, the waste product of sewerage can actually be used to create gas turbines and power them.

As for why look up when speaking to tank?

If you were to take a camera view of the room, would you sit your camera in a corner looking up, or take a more heightened perspective to see the whole room?

Well I wouldnt have just one camera i would have various ones so that i could change the angle any time I wanted to.

Maybe the Farscape episode did explain how to keep they keep information inside there heads in the matrix. I never really thought of it like that! And farscape is my favorite show, never really noticed, I was probably looking at the woman in the red dress.

Have any of yall watched The Matrix revisited its a documentary on the movie its out on DVD I suggest you watch it, it really is fascinating.

Green green green green. the matrix is all green to show how fake it is.

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
Well heres a theory I came up with:

On the plaque in the NEBUCHADNEZZAR, there is a date of it's commisioning "24??", showing that what ever time they supposedly exist is after the 24th Century.

I had this suspicion perhaps the A.I. let these rebelious people exist in another "Virtual world", one were it could learn more about the human perception.

..

Stryder,

I had a similar theory when I heard there were going to be two more movies. I was thinking that each movie would be the pealing away of the layers of the onion so to speak with the second one being where NEO determines he is still in a simulation and the third one being where he finally makes it out to the 'real' world, although you could never be sure you were done. :D

SeekerofTruth,
I already replied to the post about the whole 24?? thing read it. (its not really the 24th century but who can tell) As for the sequels i am so excited its not even funny. We get to see Zion, Morpheus finds out what the Matrix used to be, and there will apparently be really cool car chase scenes.

The agents will all be back and what you mentioned about Neo waking up inside another matrix is a possibility, it has been hinted that theymay find a matrix inside the matrix but i dont think that it would be like that.

I think if there was another matrix inside the matrix that it would be some sort of government conspiracy in the fake world, sort of like Harsh Realms if you ever watched it.

If ya'll go out and buy the matrix revisited then you can select options and find out stuff and behind the scenes on the making of the matrixs 2 and 3. They arent sequels really there a trilogy.

Yes lets peal that onion cause we all want answers!

The Matrix is buzzing again with a ton of fresh news! shocker: the first report I've seen that alludes to the potentiality of six Matrix films. Yes, two trilogies' worth of Matrix movies!
The scoop first appeared in the Australian paper The Gold Coast Bulletin and found its way online via Counting Down. The article first reveals a new actor that's been cast in a minor role in the sequels, Clay Watson. As the Bulletin puts it, former Gold Coast schoolboy Clayton Watson has landed a role in The Matrix Reloaded.

24-year-old Watson's character will reportedly be called "The Kid." The role is that of a teenager who "casts himself into the mold" of Neo, his hero. He wants to join Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus on their search for truth, but the tribe believe him too young to cut it on their team.

He'll have a minor role in the second film, but will follow that with a more substantial part in the third film, The Matrix Revolutions. And here's the kicker: the paper reports that Watson's contract options him parts 4-6 "should the series last that long."

A report at The Matrix Online describes it this way, "It's 8 guys vs. our original Neo, and from the video it looks like each different version has a different fighting style like ju-jitsu and such – like Neo has been shattered into 101 pieces, each with a different trait. It's hard to explain but easily understood when seen."

cant wait to seeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

bye!

Hmmmmm......... Sounds interesting I just hope that "Hollywood" doesn't bog it down with all its commercialism and "drama". I swear if it turns out like episode one then I am going to kill someone! Jar Jar was made for Pepsi commercials and if "the kid" is used for pepsi commericials or if they even decided so much to sneak a pepsi in the movie I will KILL SOMEONE! Im sure you know what I mean zion?

Commercialization?? with Andy and Larry around?? off course not!

;)


bye!

See thats what i say! Larry and Andy the creators/writers/directors/producers would never do that in there movies. Of course didnt people say that about George to?

6 matrix movies? I don't like the sound of that it sounds a bit evil/bad. They made one to many Jurrasic parks and look what happend to it.

Movie Headlines (January 27, 2002) claims to have found a hidden picture on the official The Matrix site what looks like the first official still from "The Matrix Reloaded". It is a special effects explosion taken at the Alameda Naval Base on June 25, 2000 (according to the image insert).

And do you know anything about ANIMATRIX?
can anyone fill me in with the details...??

bye!

Animatrix is Anime (japanese animation) that is adding on to the story of the matrix. it has nothing to do with morpheus or the one, it is only showing what it is like to live in the matrix. They talk about it quite a bit on the The Matrix revisited and apparently its suppose to be realised this year on DVD. They started as shorts on the matrix website but have expanded into something bigger. Anymore questions?

Heres a funny thing i heard the other day from someone who thought that they knew something about the matrix but came off sounding like an idiot. He said that the Matrix was filmed in canada ironically its entitled 'Best know what your talking about"click here to read it (http://www.rankyou.com/cpt_transfers/serv/enter_one.php?fellyincjan)

It really is funny how stupid people can be.

the link took me to

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Sorry! I must have misplaced a number or something, darnit i always do that, this is the actual article. about the dumb guy click here (http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/comments/7315.html)

big deal, stupid people are one of the signs of globalization i.e. they are everywhere:D

try to find a smart one, tht's a bit harder.
Bye!:)

I just thought that it was funny cause it was entitled "Know what your talking about" and then he talks about how it was filmed in Canada! When we all know it was filmed in australia.

:DI noticed tht;)

Heres something funny about the matrix and me, I cant see the color green, im paritally color blind! here it was I thought it was all gray and its green! isnt that nuts?

feel sorry for you

The basic importance of green codes is evident in the movie itself.
at the end of movie Neo sees everything in form of green codes which makes him realise that this whole matrix is a dream and a facade.

but the point is that if neo was seeing everything in form green codes and thinking that it was all in dream,did Neo in the real world while sleeping saw dream in the same codes?

secondly Now that he sees everything green(Neo,i mean)that means Neo knows that its just a dream,so anyways he can wake up anytime and unload himself at any time,thus not requiring any kind of hard line...isnt it?



bye!

Not true. He does need a hardline, its the only way in and out but im pretty sure that if someone pulled his plug then he would live.

Check out this Great site!!...


http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/index_main_sequel.html

bye!

Hey nice to hear from you again Zion,

Hey thanks for the cool link, I had heard that the Matrix Reloaded website was up but hadnt found the link.

If your looking for rumors and stuff about the matrix sequels I suggest going to scifi.com everyday. They tend to have one every once and a while.

And ive got a topic of interest. We all know that the matrix had music in it that went along with the topic of the whole fake world thing. Like the lobby shooting spree scene with the bullets or the fact that when Neo is in the club at the beggining of the movie there play "Dead I am the one" A remix of something by Rob Zombie. So my question is What kind of music are they going to play?

I would like to see a little bit of country in it, not a lot just something by the Dixie Chicks. I like techno and all but now that the movie has become more popular do you think its at all posible that they might put a song by N'Sync or britney spears in the movie? I mean blagghhhh! (throws up)

What do yall think?

Hi everyone,I got through this article on IGN about Agent Smith.
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A Weird Twist on Agent Smith
Have the Wachowski Bros. redefined this agent of evil from The Matrix?

February 27, 2002 - Warning: this article contains possible spoilers!

Hugo Weaving's sinister Agent Smith character was a big hit with fans of the cyberpunk Matrix film. As an incarnate manifestation of the machines that controlled the Matrix, Agent Smith was the greatest foe of Neo, Morpheus, and the other unplugged freedom fighters.

But if the gossip is true, the Wachowski Brothers are planning to completely rewrite the Agent Smith character and his place within the Matrix. Here's what Coming Attractions has to say on the subject:
"I asked [an individual working on the Matrix sequels] if they had him sworn to secrecy or if he could talk about the movie. He said he couldn't tell me much, but what he did tell me was fascinating. Agent Smith is now a separate entity from the Matrix and has started to multiply. The Matrix has its own agents hunting Smith. I mention [sic] the silver virus guys, or the twins, as he called them, and he said they were cool to work with. He also said Smith realized that he and Neo were connected somehow. He was great to talk to and a nice guy."
For starters, the thing about Agent Smith "multiplying" (I keep imagining the cover of Multiplicity) agrees with an earlier report we had here at IGN FilmForce of the Matrix producers hiring about 150 Hugo Weaving body doubles for a few scenes. How exactly Agent Smith duplicates himself and for what purpose is unknown.

Odder, however, is the suggestion that Agent Smith becomes a renegade. What I'd like to know is how he can become a separate entity from the Matrix. He is the Matrix personified! He controls the Gestapo, he gets the Matrix reprogrammed, he directs the submarine seekers. He's a program designed for nothing other than tracking and eliminating "separatist" fugitives. Has the Matrix suddenly developed multiple personality syndrome? At any rate, the Wachowskis had better find a really good excuse for this strange development, if it's true. We'll keep an eye on things and let you know what happens.
-- Paul Davidson

bit of amusing isnt it?;)

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. He is the Matrix personified! He controls the Gestapo, he gets the Matrix reprogrammed, he directs the submarine seekers.

It is very funny zion! LOL!

I consider this man a moron. He doesnt seem to know what hes talking about. Agent Smith is not the matrix he works for someone within the matrix, its a monarchy! Hes the royal guard trying to protect someone or something, like other AIs for instance.

Agent Smith doesnt reprogramme the matrix, he has other AIs do it.

SUBMARINE!?! WTF! Now thats funny. They have to be underwater for them to be submarines!

Has the Matrix suddenly developed multiple personality syndrome?

The matrix is many people, AIs use the people to make energy so that they can operate. So no the matrix does not have multiple personallities.

Its obvious that this guy is just a little on the retarted side and doesnt know what hes talking about.

Time Lags on Matrix shoot
Production on The Matrix sequel has slipped even further back with industry insiders estimating the producers are as much as four months behind schedule.


This is due to various reasons,the untimely death of various importatnt stars like Gloria Foster who played the Oracle in the movie and famous famous POP diva who was to play an important role in the sequel.
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One of CA's most trusted sources reported late Friday evening that, attached to copies of 20th Century Fox's Minority Report, will be the trailer for The Matrix Reloaded. Minority Report comes out in theaters on June 21. It is possible that Warner Bros. might very well release the trailer earlier than June 21st attached to one of its own pictures. Possible candidates here are for example Insomnia and Scooby-Doo...


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OH MY GOD! AHHHHHHHHHHHH! I have to wait an extra 4 months, darn it, this is so upsetting, Im waiting on Animatrix then that should hold me over.......

This is all so depressing:(

My Boy Morpheus — The Matrix of Naming
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In another case of life imitating art, five boys were named Morpheus, apparently after the hero of the sci-fi blockbuster The Matrix, portrayed by Laurence Fishburne. "I don't think there's a trace of that name existing before the film," Evans says (except for the Greek God of Dreams). "But now it's on the map."

The lead female character, Trinity, is faring even better. Between 1999 and 2000, the number of Trinitys tripled to 4,553, making it one of the fastest-growing girls' names.

Neo, the name of Keanu Reeves' character, scored only 113 names. "It's really not fair to compare," Evans says. "The movie obviously had an impact on naming. Trinity just started out as a real name, whereas Morpheus and Neo didn't really exist."

Reeves is so popular that he actually caused a naming controversy in Austria, where parents aren't allowed to invent names. Instead, they must prove that the name they give their child once belonged to another person.

When one Austrian couple wanted to name their son after the actor, officials objected, thinking Keanu was just a stage name. But, after doing some research, they discovered the name relates to the actor's Hawaiian ancestry.

Now, we Americans must debate the virtues of allowing parents to name children anything they want. Just imagine the playground torment some children must suffer.
amusing...

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LOL! Where did you get that information zion?

Got it from ABCnews.com...


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New info!

The Moviehole Web site reported a rumor that Nona Gaye (Ali) will play Zee, the role originally intended for late pop singer Aaliyah, in the The Matrix Reloaded. Gaye, the daughter of legendary R&B singer Marvin Gaye, reportedly arrived in Sydney on April 8 and will start filming her scenes next week.

I certainly hope that the fate of the human race will never be in the hands of Keanu Reeves.

But i certainly hope that <B>Neo</B> has it...



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Infogrames gets The Matrix
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The publisher purchases Interplay's Shiny studio and gets the rights to games based on the upcoming sequels to the popular sci-fi action film The Matrix.

Interplay Entertainment has announced that it has signed an agreement with French game publisher Infogrames for the sale of Shiny Entertainment, one of Interplay's subsidiary game development studios, for approximately $47 million. Under the agreement, Infogrames gains exclusive worldwide rights to develop and publish games based on sequels to the popular Warner Bros. sci-fi action film The Matrix, including The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions.
"We are delighted to have signed this transaction with Infogrames, a company with a proven track record and reputation," said Interplay CEO Herve Caen. "For Interplay and its investors, successful conclusion of this transaction will enhance stability and position Interplay for growth. The sale of Shiny will significantly reduce the general corporate overhead of Interplay and allow the Interplay teams to focus on the continuing development of games based on its successful TSR licenses such as Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale."

In addition to Shiny Entertainment, Interplay owns game developers Black Isle Studios, which created the popular Fallout and Icewind Dale role-playing games, and Digital Mayhem, which created Giants: Citizen Kabuto for the Sony PlayStation 2.


BYE!
ZION

Uh-oh....

I just saw a trailer for the new Matrix on Space Station....

Personally, what made that movie so amazing to me was the philosophical and political messages in it. This new one looks to be nothing more than a lead up to and execution of a large battle with little philosophy involved.

Though they did use Wake Up from Rage again!

Infogrames is the goddamn Devil. So says me.

Actually, it's worth noting that the new Matrix installment showed a trailer at AOTC. My own opinion of the first film is beyond poor, so you can only imagine what I think of the new one. But there's a problem with it that is, I think, much simpler than what Tyler has noted. (I won't argue with that point, though, but I do think there's a simpler problem with the movie.)

That problem is Hidden Tiger and other such movies of late. In the trailer I saw, it looked really, really terrible--a fight scene with people floating around in the air with no real sense of motion. Perhaps that's the point, but if it is, it seems lazy in the sense that "We just want shit to do weird shit so we can tell them this is the shit."

I remember when I saw trailers for the first Matrix film, I was impressed and dismayed. Dismayed for all the reasons I probably shouldn't go into now, but impressed because, well, it did look pretty original.

The trailer I saw last night looks clumsy at best.

Oh, and regarding Infogrames ... there's not a game out there they won't f--k up for a dime. (One of their fun tricks is going cross-platform in beta and then releasing only a Windows game ... I used to think this was to get better-than-Windows servers, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Given their handling of a local situation involving their necessary ties to MacSoft, I'd say it's sheer hatred for other platforms.)

But that's all beside the point.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Just a note on cross-platform programming, it's all very well to complain, but imagine you take a piece of buggy code early on because you have a time limit to get the product shipped.

This means you have a programmer moving the code across from one platform to another, picking up bugs from the original code and adding their own unique corner cutting for time saving and you end up with a buggy game.

It's most notiable that most games are made on PC's, so it does make sense why the PC should have the more stable platform.

Stryder

Well ... maybe they shouldn't spend two years stroking users on the "wrong" platforms. Why did they bother writing the beta for the other platforms if, only a couple of weeks before release they clear their throats and say, "Oh, yeah ... we're not going to put the game out for 2/3 of the platforms we tested on"?

Frankly, for all the PC users, you should be furious too. Just think of how much of your money goes to pay for developing those platforms that you have to help them recover.

Besides ... the beta ran great on Macs, and the best servers for its online play were Linux. People other than the production company often push to finish the Mac & Linux version independently because they like the game so much. In the end, it actually encourages piracy since, should the fixes work, you'll either have thousands of users buying a game that's not for their platform, or else they'll just pirate the thing from a friend with a PC. And who buys software for a platform other than their own?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

This new one looks to be nothing more than a lead up to and execution of a large battle with little philosophy involved

This is not true! If you watch the matrix revisted and actually looked in the part about the two sequels (that will make it one kick ass trilogy) then you would hear them say that there will be more philosophy involved with this one then the first one. The action is just a bonus.

Tiassa,
Hi.Talking after a long time.

The Matrix was initially based on a great idea of living inside a computer system.had they kept it more on showing just a techno tour documentary kinds of movie,it would have pissed off the pants of Movie makers the amount of money involved.so they twisted it,and yeah they twisted it so well that people were able to accept the idea of God moded Neo inside the matrix very easily.

Although i never wanted to say this but whats wrong with us living inside the Matrix with machines using us as batteries?A kind of Symbiosis,and we are also given our best of lives,everything is so perfect.what else do you want?(Jesus,you smell that same smell when it rains.;)).

Carrying on the philosophy of Neo et al strugglers,they have made matrix's sequels.you cant expect to change this.they have done it with great style.you"ll find soon more about Zion Mainframe,in Matrix Reloaded.the ideas are carried in sequels not changed.the philosophy us the same.did you expect the group to change its philosophy and go all the way with machines?
neh thats not possible.

nice talking to you.
thanks for time.

bye!

When I went to go see Attack Of The Clones I saw the matrix reloaded trailor.....I didn't blink for a whole minute.

Okay maybe we could live in harmoany with the machines...after we turn all of them into toasters.